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<p>Sorry, maybe not relevant to the list, and I didn't want to
contact you privately entirely out of the blue. Also thought
others might be interested in where this thread goes.</p>
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<p>Looks like you're in Austin? Mind sharing what specifics you're
working on re: OSM accessibility here?</p>
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<p>I'm a blind web/Android developer who has built an open source
OSM-based navigation system for Android. I'm also Austin-based.
Unfortunately it hasn't really been worked on in years, but I
recently did a survey of accessible Android navigation apps and
found nothing that does what I want, so I'm considering dusting it
off. I may also consider commercializing it to see if it can make
a few bucks. If there's local OSM a11y work in progress, that may
give me the kick in the ass I need to update it. And of course I
want to integrate accessibility tagging schemes as well. It'd be
fun to hack on this stuff with local folks, since a11y can be
lonely work, and is more so when it's niche like mapping. My
girlfriend is also a wheelchair user, and I bet it wouldn't be too
hard to twist her arm to help with tagging things like accessible
bathrooms, curb cuts, etc. We collectively pretty much know where
all the broken sidewalk is, and I've long considered building some
sort of easy data collection app that sends those issues straight
to OSM.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/08/2016 12:49 PM, Michael Sidoric
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Greatly admire your proposal. Our
interests align with your intents as sidewalks and pedestrian
ways are critical for accessibility for all people - especially
low vision and blind users. Please feel free to call anytime at
512-839-1996 or tejasfilms on skype. We are proposing that
precise routing become an ADA mandate and we are working with
NFB Texas to push that forward. </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">Regards from Austin<br>
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On Jul 8, 2016, at 12:24, Jess Hamilton <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Michael,
<div>Thanks for your response. We have added your
incline:across tag to our recommended core features, and
linked to your work in the related proposals.</div>
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<div>Charles, </div>
<div>Thanks for the support. Is the discussion you
mentioned part of a public forum that we might be able to
link to? </div>
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<div>Best, </div>
<div>Jess</div>
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From: Charles Basenga Kiyanda <<a
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To: Accessibility <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Subject: Re: [Accessibility] sidewalk scheme & layer
for accessible<br>
routing<br>
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That is great news. We (openstreetmap montréal) worked
with a prof at<br>
Concordia University (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.concordia.ca" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">www.concordia.ca</a>) on a class
project for one of<br>
his graduate courses in geography. Students gathered
data, made<br>
modifications to OSM and did some rendering after that,
specifically<br>
with accessibility in mind. They elected to use a
"sidewalk distinct<br>
from street" model since it gives more flexibility to
represent all<br>
topologies (at least with less kludging) than the
"sidewalk as street<br>
attribute" model.<br>
<br>
We now have a region of downtown Montréal that has both
representations<br>
next to each other, so there's a discusison we'll need
to have here<br>
about where we go. Your proposal will surely be part of
that discussion.<br>
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Personally, I prefer to represent sidewalks distinctly,
so you'll have<br>
my vote.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Charles<br>
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On 07/06/2016 02:02 PM, Jess Hamilton wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> My name is Jess I am a member of the Global
OpenSidewalks<br>
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://uwescience.github.io/DSSG2016-Sidewalks/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://uwescience.github.io/DSSG2016-Sidewalks/</a>>
team, part of this<br>
> year's Data Science form Social Good<br>
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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(DSSG)<br>
> program sponsored by the eScience institute at the
University of<br>
> Washington.<br>
><br>
> We have been working on an OSM standard for
sidewalk representation<br>
> and annotation which we plan to present at the
State of the Map<br>
> Conference, and would love to get some feedback
from the OSM<br>
> accessibility community.<br>
><br>
> Currently in OSM footpaths in the built environment
are typically<br>
> treated as an addendum to streets. As a result,
sidewalks in OSM have<br>
> spotty coverage, an unintuitive implementation that
makes user<br>
> contribution difficult, and fail to serve many use
cases, including<br>
> the needs of people with limited mobility. Our
project seeks to make<br>
> pedestrian ways, particularly sidewalks, first
class members of an<br>
> open data transportation network.<br>
><br>
> We also are proposing an OSM rendering layer for
pedestrian ways. This<br>
> layer would have similar properties to the
OpenCycleMap layer but<br>
> serves different use cases. Born out of the
AccessMap<br>
> project (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.accessmapseattle.com/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.accessmapseattle.com/</a>),
we are particularly<br>
> interested in accessibility and facilitating
routing for people with<br>
> limited mobility.<br>
><br>
> Our OSM proposal can be found<br>
> here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sidewalk_schema"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sidewalk_schema</a><br>
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rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sidewalk_schema</a>>
(this<br>
> is still a work in progress) and project website<br>
> here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://uwescience.github.io/DSSG2016-Sidewalks/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://uwescience.github.io/DSSG2016-Sidewalks/</a><br>
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> Thanks!<br>
> Jess<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> *Jess Hamilton*<br>
> 2017 MLA Candidate<br>
> University of Washington<br>
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