<div dir="ltr">Hello,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your responses!</div><div><br></div><div>It's quite hard to respond to all of the messages in order. I've placed the citations and responses below.</div><div><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"><table cellpadding="0" class="gmail-cf gmail-gJ" style="border-collapse:collapse;margin-top:0px;width:auto;font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;display:block"><tbody style="display:block"><tr class="gmail-acZ" style="height:auto;display:flex"><td class="gmail-gF gmail-gK" style="white-space:nowrap;padding:0px;vertical-align:top;width:730.047px;line-height:20px;display:block;max-height:20px"><table cellpadding="0" class="gmail-cf gmail-ix" style="border-collapse:collapse;table-layout:fixed;width:730px"><tbody><tr><td class="gmail-c2" style="display:flex"><h3 class="gmail-iw" style="overflow:hidden;font-size:0.75rem;font-weight:inherit;margin:inherit;text-overflow:ellipsis;letter-spacing:0.3px;color:rgb(95,99,104);line-height:20px"><span class="gmail-qu" tabindex="-1"><span name="Martin Koppenhoefer" class="gmail-gD" style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-size:0.875rem;font-weight:bold;display:inline;vertical-align:top;letter-spacing:0.2px;line-height:20px">Martin Koppenhoefer</span></span></h3></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">thank you for notifying this list. Please be sure to also follow the import guidelines and discuss your plan on the imports list and with the Polish list.<br><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines</a></blockquote><div>I tried but I've some small problems because of my alias mail but I plan to do this today.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">is this explicitly signposted (door position of the vehicle)? Generally we have stop positions for public transport route relations (on the road) and/or the highway=bus_stop node (and similar for trams) should be at the stop position (both are indicating the front of the vehicle, not necessarily identical to the door position)<br></blockquote><div>These positions are not good enough for blind because of two reasons:</div><div>1. The application is guiding blind people to the place on a street, where a bus or tram stops. This position could be slightly different than the place where are the doors of a bus are and in some cases could be dangerous (blind people could go on a street or rails in case of flat sidewalk).</div><div>2. Transportation companies (GTFS providers) are sharing stop signs positions and they provide the most updated and reliable data. Uploading this data to OSM would be very simple.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">my suggestion would be „ref“ or maybe „ref:<shortname of your dataset/external source>=*“ if these should be imported at all<br></blockquote><div>So for example <b>ref:ztm</b></div><div>I plan to create a procedure and the software to import data to other cities. I think the name should be more universal than the local db name. What do you think?</div><div>What about <b>blind:stop_numer </b>and <b>blind:stop_id</b>?</div><div><br></div><div><h3 class="gmail-iw" style="overflow:hidden;white-space:nowrap;font-size:0.75rem;font-weight:inherit;margin:inherit;text-overflow:ellipsis;font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.3px;color:rgb(95,99,104);line-height:20px"><span class="gmail-qu" tabindex="-1" style="outline:none"><span name="Alessandro Sarretta" class="gmail-gD" style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-size:0.875rem;font-weight:bold;display:inline;vertical-align:top;letter-spacing:0.2px;line-height:20px">Alessandro Sarretta</span> </span></h3></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-qu" tabindex="-1" style="outline:none"><ul><li style="margin-left:15px">you say (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/luktar/Stop_signs_for_blind#Missing_stop_signs" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/luktar/Stop_signs_for_blind#Missing_stop_signs</a>) that current objects in OSM are not enough for blind people, but in the examples (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/luktar/Stop_signs_for_blind#Tagging_Plans" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/luktar/Stop_signs_for_blind#Tagging_Plans</a>) you're reusing those tags. Are you proposing just to add the new tags stop_no and stop_id to the existing ones?</li></ul></span></blockquote><div>Good point. I wrote here (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/luktar/Stop_signs_for_blind#Solution">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/luktar/Stop_signs_for_blind#Solution</a>) that: "<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">The idea is to add stop signs where they don’t exist or add required tags to existing stop signs."</span></div><div>In most of the places there are notstop_signs - instead of that there are only stop_positions - places on a street/rails where the bus/tram will stop. In this case new object should be added.</div><div>But there are places where there are stop_positions and stop_signs. In this case the stop_sign should be updated with additional tags.</div><div>Example: <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Rybnik - Kościuszki: </span><a class="external gmail-free" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/50.09197/18.54794" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);padding-right:13px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/50.09197/18.54794</a></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-qu" tabindex="-1" style="outline:none"><ul><li style="margin-left:15px">regarding stop_no, I would suggest something different (stop_n or simply stop_number) because stop_no seems to me that there is no stop :-)</li></ul></span></blockquote><div>stop_number is convincing me :) </div><div><br></div><div><h3 class="gmail-iw" style="overflow:hidden;white-space:nowrap;font-size:0.75rem;font-weight:inherit;margin:inherit;text-overflow:ellipsis;font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.3px;color:rgb(95,99,104);line-height:20px"><span class="gmail-qu" tabindex="-1" style="outline:none"><span name="Fundacion TODOS PODEMOS AYUDAR" class="gmail-gD" style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-size:0.875rem;font-weight:bold;display:inline;vertical-align:top;letter-spacing:0.2px;line-height:20px">Fundacion TODOS PODEMOS AYUDAR</span></span></h3></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Sorry, im. Not blind OR an expert, when you ha e your app. Developed i can sjare ir<br></blockquote><div>Sorry, I don't understand :(</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Taraszka Łukasz</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">wt., 25 sie 2020 o 11:43 Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> napisał(a):<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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> On 25. Aug 2020, at 09:43, Alessandro Sarretta <<a href="mailto:alessandro.sarretta@gmail.com" target="_blank">alessandro.sarretta@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> regarding stop_no, I would suggest something different (stop_n or simply stop_number) because stop_no seems to me that there is no stop :-)<br>
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my suggestion would be „ref“ or maybe „ref:<shortname of your dataset/external source>=*“ if these should be imported at all<br>
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Cheers Martin<br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div>Pozdrawiam</div><div><div>Taraszka Łukasz</div><div>tel. 668 462 791</div></div></div>