<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Anson and accessibility group,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>we started <a href="https://wheelmap.org">https://wheelmap.org</a> ten years ago with the same goal as you: help find and report wheelchair-accessible places. We are an OpenStreetMap-based project (we use the OSM-tags wheelchair=yes/no/limited and toilets:wheelchair=yes/no) and contribute submissions from the Wheelmap community back to OSM.</div><div><br></div><div>Beyond that, we collaborate with other organizations who have such data. Check out <a href="https://www.accessibility.cloud/">https://www.accessibility.cloud/</a> for a unified API of 2+ million places and <a href="https://sozialhelden.github.io/a11yjson/">https://sozialhelden.github.io/a11yjson/</a> for our own standard to describe the accessibility of places.</div><div><br></div><div>Eventually we want to have an open standard for this and started a community working group at the W3C for that: <a href="https://www.w3.org/community/lda/">https://www.w3.org/community/lda/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Feel free to join and reach out!</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Holger</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:small"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="2" face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">--</font></div><div><font size="2" face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font size="2" face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>Holger Dieterich</b></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><font size="2">Vorstand </font><i>(Chairman)</i></font></div><div><a href="https://wheelmap.org/" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif" target="_blank">Wheelmap.org</a> <font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">Mitgründer<i> (Co-Founder)</i></font></div><div><br></div><div><font size="2" face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><font size="2"><a href="http://www.sozialhelden.de/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">SOZIALHELDEN e.V</a>.</font><font size="2">, Andreasstr. 10, 10243 Berlin, Germany</font></font></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://sozialhelden.de/en/us/#projects" target="_blank">Our projects:</a></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://sozialhelden.de/en/us/#projects" target="_blank"><img src="https://sozialhelden.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Signatur_Projektübersicht_Sozialhelden.png" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" width="420" height="164"></a><br></div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Mo., 19. Okt. 2020 um 13:09 Uhr schrieb <<a href="mailto:accessibility-request@openstreetmap.org">accessibility-request@openstreetmap.org</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Accessibility mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. choosing and extending tags (parker, anson D (adp6j))<br>
2. Re: choosing and extending tags (Martin Koppenhoefer)<br>
3. Re: choosing and extending tags (Martin Koppenhöfer)<br>
4. Re: choosing and extending tags (Nick Bolten)<br>
<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "parker, anson D (adp6j)" <<a href="mailto:anson@virginia.edu" target="_blank" class="">anson@virginia.edu</a>><br>To: "<a href="mailto:accessibility@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" class="">accessibility@openstreetmap.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:accessibility@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" class="">accessibility@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 12:15:21 +0000<br>Subject: [Accessibility] choosing and extending tags<br>Hi all -<br>
I have some friends here in town who are building a website aimed at helping individuals who use wheelchairs find restaurants and other spaces <br>
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they are creating a set of filters for various accessibility features <br>
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see the left hand side of this page for an example<br>
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<a href="https://staging.bluetrunk.org/businesses/search?keyword=&destinationId=1&limit=5" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://staging.bluetrunk.org/businesses/search?keyword=&destinationId=1&limit=5</a><br>
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is there any reason all of these filters can't be added as tags in open street map? are some of these tags already canonical? <br>
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i can't think of any reason why this entire "site" couldn't just be a series of OSM queries.. then integrate with something like open routing or <a href="http://accessmap.io" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">accessmap.io</a> or .... <br>
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a sorry if this is a bit off-topic, it's a nice group of folks and i just want to help them be more impactful... and i feel like if they focused on adding content to OSM and doing advocacy they'd be in a better place?<br>
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bit of a rant there, thanks for any thoughts <br>
anson<br>
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<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Accessibility <<a href="mailto:accessibility@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">accessibility@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 19:12:34 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [Accessibility] choosing and extending tags<br><br>
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> On 18. Oct 2020, at 16:15, parker, anson D (adp6j) <<a href="mailto:anson@virginia.edu" target="_blank">anson@virginia.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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> is there any reason all of these filters can't be added as tags in open street map? <br>
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there is not<br>
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> are some of these tags already canonical? <br>
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probably ;-)<br>
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You could make a list of all the filters/properties you want, then we can see what is already covered. It could maybe be useful to ask on the tagging mailing list as well.<br>
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Cheers Martin <br>
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<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Martin Koppenhöfer" <<a href="mailto:mk@koppenhoefer.com" target="_blank">mk@koppenhoefer.com</a>><br>To: Accessibility <<a href="mailto:accessibility@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">accessibility@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 19:22:41 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [Accessibility] choosing and extending tags<br><br>
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> On 18. Oct 2020, at 16:15, parker, anson D (adp6j) <<a href="mailto:anson@virginia.edu" target="_blank">anson@virginia.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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> is there any reason all of these filters can't be added as tags in open street map? <br>
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there is not<br>
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> are some of these tags already canonical? <br>
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probably ;-)<br>
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You could make a list of all the filters/properties you want, then we can see what is already covered. It could maybe be useful to ask on the tagging mailing list as well.<br>
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Cheers Martin<br>
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<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Nick Bolten <<a href="mailto:nbolten@gmail.com" target="_blank">nbolten@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Accessibility <<a href="mailto:accessibility@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">accessibility@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 13:51:50 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Accessibility] choosing and extending tags<br><div dir="ltr"><div>Looks great! Would be happy to talk about working together with AccessMap/OpenSidewalks (both projects consume and contribute OSM data) as well and getting this kind of data into OSM, assuming community support! I'd also be happy to have a discussion about the accessibility aspect of these filters and when it is practical to directly map accessibility info (e.g. wheelchair=yes on a building entrance) and when it can, more ideally, be interpreted from physical descriptions (e.g. mapping the width of a narrow path rather than adding wheelchair=no). I think most (all?) of your filters are about physical things, but it never hurts to chat!<br></div><div><br></div><div>Some of the filter attributes are already tags in one way or another (like aspects of accessible parking: <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:footway%3Daccess_aisle" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:footway%3Daccess_aisle</a>), but I would not be surprised if it's isn't always clear how to use them "correctly" for your purposes. This could be a good opportunity to research what tags are in use, how they're used, and record your results as documentation (improving the wiki, e.g.). And, of course, if there are no good existing tagging schemas, to propose new ones. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Maybe a good starting place for collaboration would be for you to create a collaborative, public document for the tagging aspect of your project (on the wiki or somewhere else if that's not appropriate). Would be happy to give feedback and/or assist in tying it together with pedestrian ways.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 7:15 AM parker, anson D (adp6j) <<a href="mailto:anson@virginia.edu" target="_blank">anson@virginia.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi all -<br>
I have some friends here in town who are building a website aimed at helping individuals who use wheelchairs find restaurants and other spaces <br>
<br>
they are creating a set of filters for various accessibility features <br>
<br>
see the left hand side of this page for an example<br>
<br>
<a href="https://staging.bluetrunk.org/businesses/search?keyword=&destinationId=1&limit=5" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://staging.bluetrunk.org/businesses/search?keyword=&destinationId=1&limit=5</a><br>
<br>
is there any reason all of these filters can't be added as tags in open street map? are some of these tags already canonical? <br>
<br>
i can't think of any reason why this entire "site" couldn't just be a series of OSM queries.. then integrate with something like open routing or <a href="http://accessmap.io" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">accessmap.io</a> or .... <br>
<br>
a sorry if this is a bit off-topic, it's a nice group of folks and i just want to help them be more impactful... and i feel like if they focused on adding content to OSM and doing advocacy they'd be in a better place?<br>
<br>
bit of a rant there, thanks for any thoughts <br>
anson<br>
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