<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On 16 May 2007, at 16:16, Nick Black wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 5/16/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">Frederik Ramm</B> <<A href="mailto:frederik@remote.org">frederik@remote.org</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi,<BR><BR>> 2) They are not helpful as a navigational or locational aid<BR>> 3) They impede the use of the map as a navigational aid<BR>> 4) They are very innacurate, non-geometrical approximations,<BR>> derived from the location of stations <BR><BR>When traveling to places where subways exist, I cherish maps that at<BR>least have a hint of which stations are connected to which - that<BR>gives you an instant idea where you can get from somewhere, and is<BR>much more helpful than just having symbols for subway stations and <BR>then I have to consult a special underground line map.</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR>That's a valid point, but perhaps this is more of a case for either:<BR><BR>* An overlay layer<BR>* A specialist tourist map<BR><BR><BR> </DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">So I don't exactly understand what you mean by "impeding the use of<BR>the map as a navigational aid", but for me, undergrund rail lines on <BR>a map are helpful for navigating unknown cities.<BR><BR>Which doesn't mean we need to keep them at all costs, but if a way<BR>could be found to keep them and change their look so that you only<BR>really see them if you look for them...? <BR><BR>Bye<BR>Frederik<BR><BR>--<BR>Frederik Ramm ## eMail <A href="mailto:frederik@remote.org">frederik@remote.org</A> ## N49°00.09' E008°23.33'<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>+1 to not to render undeground tracks . </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Artem</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear="all"><BR>-- <BR>Nick Black <BR>--------------------------------<BR><A href="http://www.blacksworld.net">http://www.blacksworld.net</A><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">dev mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:dev@openstreetmap.org">dev@openstreetmap.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>Artem Pavlenko</DIV><DIV><A href="http://mapnik.org">http://mapnik.org</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN> </DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>