Hi Tobias - <div><br></div><div>Thanks for the background - it's very helpful!</div><div><br></div><div>Moving to MediaWiki looks like it'll be a step in the right direction. However, it implements the language switcher in a way consistent with what I'm suggesting - please see the upper-right corner of this page for an example: <a href="http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate">http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Perhaps users should be allowed to have it collapsed or expanded by default?</div><div><br></div><div>While I appreciate your suggestion, 100% of wiki users are currently impacted by a control that eats up 5-6 lines (15-20% of the vertical screen space on a 1400x900 display) but that could be solved with a discretely-located 2 word toggle for some large % of the users who use other languages. (e.g. English/Deutsch or Italiano/<a href="http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate#" title="Traditional Chinese" style="text-decoration:initial;color:rgb(51,102,187);background-image:none;font-size:14px;line-height:1.6em;font-family:sans-serif;white-space:nowrap">中文(繁體)</a>) I'm guessing that there aren't a lot of people bouncing across more than 2 languages at a time. </div>
<div><br></div><div>So, my premise is not that this isn't important, just that the way it's implemented is inefficient. </div><div><br></div><div>(Others would add that the current language bar is a bit messy & makes things like the home page less friendly to newcomers, but I think those are tightly coupled with efficiency...)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks, Jeff</div><div> </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Tobias Knerr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:osm@tobias-knerr.de" target="_blank">osm@tobias-knerr.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On 08.11.2012 19:03, Jeff Meyer wrote:<br>
> <a href="https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/4675" target="_blank">https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/4675</a><br>
><br>
> Now... to figure out how to do this...<br>
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</div>As I've commented on the ticket, this might not be the best point in<br>
time for fine-tuning the visual aspect of the translations. There has<br>
been discussion about using the MediaWiki Translate extension for better<br>
handling of translations and installation of this extension is scheduled<br>
for the next software upgrade:<br>
<a href="http://wiki.osm.org/Talk:Wiki_Translation#Translate_extension" target="_blank">http://wiki.osm.org/Talk:Wiki_Translation#Translate_extension</a><br>
<br>
More generally, though, I feel slightly uncomfortable with your<br>
suggestions to free "valuable real estate" or even collapse the list by<br>
default. Most of our wiki content is not available in all languages, and<br>
realistically will never be. (Many pages are not even expected to be<br>
translated, such as proposals.) So switching between languages will<br>
inevitably happen quite often for every user who wants to neither miss<br>
out on a lot of wiki content nor go English only.<br>
<br>
Yes, it makes sense to think about a language link redesign. However, it<br>
should not be based on the premise that these aren't important, and for<br>
practical reasons I would prefer to wait until the technical foundations<br>
of the translation system are in place.<br>
<br>
Tobias<br>
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