<div dir="ltr">Paul, thats really helpful data.<div>are there other examples like those for server rental that you can think of?</div><div><br></div><div>This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be wiki'd somewhere so its discoverable when you are looking for bootstrapping information.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Paul Norman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com" target="_blank">penorman@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If you’re going to compare the SSD volumes to EBS, you need to compare it to provisioned iops volumes, which would be $400 a month for 4000 iops, and a minimum size of 400GB, for a total of $450/month. EC2 is more expensive for an osm2pgsql DB, which you’d want about 300GB currently and more in the future.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Just for comparison, Hetzner will rent you a 64GB RAM 6-core server with a 600GB SSD for 210 €/month, 100</span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#cc0000;background:white"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">€ setup, or 32GB RAM, 4-core server with 2x 240GB SSD for 140</span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#cc0000;background:white"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">€/month, 150</span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#cc0000;background:white"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">€ setup. OVH has a 64GB 4-core server with 2x 300GB SSD for 170€/month with no setup. Of course, all of these options should have far faster IO than a 4k iops volume.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If you’re doing dev work the OVH option is cheaper than EC2 if you’d need more than about a week of instance time in a month.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The conclusion you can draw from all of this is that if you’re doing prototyping or dev work, use an extract, have enough RAM and tune your postgresql for your use case. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If you’re doing benchmarking this does not apply, but that’s a special case where you really need to give careful consideration to the workload and specifications of the machineyou’re using.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> malcolm stanley [mailto:<a href="mailto:a.malcolm.stanley@gmail.com" target="_blank">a.malcolm.stanley@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 22, 2013 2:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jeffrey Ollie<br><b>Cc:</b> Paul Norman; OSM-Dev Openstreetmap</span></p><div class="im"><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-dev] Tile server<u></u><u></u></div><p></p></div>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">If you look here <a href="http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/block-storage/pricing/" target="_blank">http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/block-storage/pricing/</a> you will see pricing for Rackspace SSD is $0.70 cents per GB per month.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div class="im"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Its hard to compare apples to apples as they include IO in the price.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Having said that, it looks like at that price a 500G volume for a world database would run about $350 per month.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">a comparable Amazon volume would be far less @12.5 cents as opposed to $0.70, but then you have to pay IO AND you can only use them on larger instances, so you are going to cost up on that side.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Its almost like you need a case study comparing the offerings based on specific usage profiles. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">for instance, a dev instance on amazon is going to cost less (I **think**) because you would have low IO and low disk costs.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
as you ramp the IO up and start to add performance to AMZ, that would probably change pretty quickly<span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>