<div dir="ltr">As good a time as ever to remind everyone that we'd love your help on the iD project. Head over to the GitHub repository:<div><br></div><div>> <a href="https://github.com/systemed/iD">https://github.com/systemed/iD</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Choose an issue, and go for it! You will be part of making this actually happen.<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
Tom</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM, NopMap <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ekkehart@gmx.de" target="_blank">ekkehart@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi!<br>
<br>
I have just worked through all the previous posts here and experimented with<br>
the test instance in my home turf. The short anwer is: No, I do not believe<br>
that ID is in a state to make it the default editor, especially not to<br>
welcome newbies.<br>
<br>
The long answer:<br>
<br>
I still see very bad performance in Firefox. I noticed that editing has been<br>
limited to zoom 16 and higher which is a very crude way to limit the data<br>
displayed. But it also makes orientation very difficult when you have to<br>
move around. Even when there are not many lines to display, ID remains<br>
jumpy, dragging of the map rather results in two jumps for moving a full<br>
screen with up to one second delay in denser areas.<br>
<br>
I agree with the previous posts that ID is not a suitable editor for<br>
beginners/as default as long as it presents destructive operations in such a<br>
prominent manner. I'm referring to the delete button but also to the<br>
make-square, make-round and rotate options. You do not need these to draw<br>
streets on top of tracks or aerial imagery, which is the basic start of<br>
mapping. I have never used them at all. But they can be very destructive for<br>
existing geometry. An expert mode where you can add those operations later<br>
might be a good solution.<br>
<br>
I tried deleting a few things and there was no warning that I was acting<br>
destructively. The warning before saving is too general and the list of<br>
change objects also does not indicate whether I did something dangerous. I<br>
believe that immediate warnings when you do something dangerous (and an<br>
expert switch to disable them later) would be very helpful to prevent damage<br>
and teach the user how to proceed.<br>
<br>
What's more, the existing icons would confuse me as a newcomer. For ways,<br>
there is a move-around icon (which is useful), if I click on a node, only<br>
delete is shown, nothing else. In particular, there is no move-around icon.<br>
As a powermapper I know that I can directly drag the node and don't need it,<br>
but to a newcomer the absence might suggest that you should rather delete<br>
the node with the prominent trashcan and re-create it somewhere else.<br>
<br>
The wording on the delete button is also misleading. It says: "remove this<br>
from the map". But that is not what it does. It deletes it from the<br>
database, not from any particular map. This encourages the common<br>
misunderstanding that "OSM is a map" and of course unnecessary deletions.<br>
<br>
On the other hand, some very useful functions seem to be missing. Or at<br>
least they are not offered as icons and I couldn't figure out how to do it.<br>
One is "click on end node of line and continue drawing it" (click on node in<br>
P2). Another is "copy tags from similar way" (r in P2).<br>
<br>
There is some relation handling, but the visibility of relations is still<br>
insufficient. They are shown in the sidebar, but with all instances I tried,<br>
the normal tags took up all the visible space in the bar and you had do<br>
scroll down to read anything about relations. As they are not marked on the<br>
map in any way, they are still invisible to the unsuspecting user. If you<br>
don't know that there must be a relation there and directly look for it,<br>
they remain totally invisible.<br>
<br>
I found the handling of multipolygons very confusing. I clicked a MP area<br>
and the sidebar showed "Multipolygon". Pretending that I didn't know what<br>
that is I clicked "i", only to be rewarded with "there is no documentation<br>
for this key". I deleted some of the members with the message <not<br>
downloaded> and ID accepted that without warning. I see no way a newcomer<br>
had any chance to use this.<br>
<br>
I agree with the previous posts that OSM should not create a connection to<br>
Facebook, Twitter or any other social service without conscious choice by<br>
the user or in a way that suggests that it is an integral part of OSM or<br>
that membership there is required in any way. A good solution might be a<br>
plain "share" link on the save page that leads you to a setting where you<br>
can opt-in to your favorite services if you like to. Or maybe you could<br>
detect the Facebook session and tracking cookies and show it the button only<br>
if you have an active session. But currently it looks like OSM is simply<br>
advertising for Facebook.<br>
<br>
bye, Nop<br>
<br>
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