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I hope you realize just how patently silly that post was. <br>
<br>
But just in case you don't: you get legal advice from the counsel
that you have engaged (and typically they will want money for that),
you do not get it from a public developers mailing list (it is
however the right place to get personal opinions on app design). Not
only are there only a small number of people qualified to do so on
the list, there are many legal (which you should know as a German
company), liability and economic reasons why you will not get
anything useful here.<br>
<br>
You need to sit down with your counsel and go through your options
and the associated risks and then decide what works best. Dealing
with customers using your SDK and getting them to attribute the data
sources correctly is going to be pain, just ask mapbox.<br>
<br>
Simon<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 23.04.2017 um 14:49 schrieb Stadin,
Benjamin:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">I need a legal advice, not a personal opinion
about app design. That we need to show our own logo –we
didn’t show it before but showed the OSM attribution text-
has a solid legal background, which I won’t go into detail
in a public mailing list. That we want to show only one logo
on smartphones really has its reason also. We can show both
on the iPad and Android tablets. And in our own apps, where
we can control content and UI, we credit OSM at multiple
places (legal or about page, as well as on the map view
itself).
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Ben<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black" lang="EN-US">Von:
</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Simon Poole <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:simon@poole.ch"><simon@poole.ch></a><br>
<b>Datum: </b>Sonntag, 23. </span><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">April 2017 um
13:41<br>
<b>An: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dev@openstreetmap.org">"dev@openstreetmap.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dev@openstreetmap.org"><dev@openstreetmap.org></a><br>
<b>Betreff: </b>Re: [OSM-dev] Legal question about
attribution text on smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>IMHO mobile devs tend to substantially exaggerate the screen
real estate scarcity. Two to three sources as text lines is
clearly doable, and you don't really need to have separate
links on the main screen itself, just show a common
attribution screen.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>And: -you- control how much you want to show your logo, it is
-not- a third party legal requirement, no reason you can't
simply live with some text if you believe there is not enough
space.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Simon<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 23.04.2017 um 00:26 schrieb Stadin,
Benjamin:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">It’s not our app, but this is an (indoor) map
SDK which can be integrated into other native iOS and
Android apps. A list (UIActionSheet on iOS) appears when
our logo is tapped, showing multiple links (including a
link to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright">
www.openstreetmap.org/copyright</a>). Having our logo
visible is a legal requirement also, and it wouldn’t be
convenient to place the list with multiple legal links not
associated to OSM behind the OSM attribution logo or text.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">If we need to show two logos it would waste
space for navigation controls and building / floor
selection UI elements.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Since the map view will be used in other
apps, we cannot control what is shown on the splash
screen. We can place it there for our own apps, and ask
customers of our SDK to place it there. But from
experience this is often forgotten, and I’d rather prefer
a permanent solution and give credit to OSM one way or
another on the map view.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Ben</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Von: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Martin
Koppenhoefer <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">
<dieterdreist@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Datum: </b>Freitag, 21. April 2017 um 12:49<br>
<b>An: </b>Rory McCann <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rory@technomancy.org"><rory@technomancy.org></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dev@openstreetmap.org">"dev@openstreetmap.org"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dev@openstreetmap.org">
<dev@openstreetmap.org></a>, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org">"legal-talk@openstreetmap.org"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org"><legal-talk@openstreetmap.org></a><br>
<b>Betreff: </b>Re: [OSM-dev] Legal question about
attribution text on smartphone</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
sent from a phone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 21. Apr 2017, at 12:10, Rory McCann <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rory@technomancy.org">rory@technomancy.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So I dunno? Maybe? There could be
ways around it if you don't want to include it on every
map page. Does your app have a loading/spash screen?
Including an attribution there, which is shown every
time the app is started might meet the requirements.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">have you seen this page?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">generally, if there is enough space for
your logo, there should also be for osm (on pages showing
maps). If there's space for just one attribution, why not
use it to attribute osm? The user will more likely be
aware who you are (as he's using your app) than he will be
that your map data comes from osm, so prioritizing OSM
attribution seems to make sense <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Martin <o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>dev mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dev@openstreetmap.org">dev@openstreetmap.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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