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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>I can't make it at 14:00 UTC but will look out for any updates from what is discussed. Hopefully have some interesting mapping party related ideas to share later in the year.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Tim<br><br><div>> From: diversity-talk-request@openstreetmap.org<br>> Subject: diversity-talk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 2<br>> To: diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 12:00:52 +0000<br>> <br>> Send diversity-talk mailing list submissions to<br>> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>> <br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk<br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> diversity-talk-request@openstreetmap.org<br>> <br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> diversity-talk-owner@openstreetmap.org<br>> <br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of diversity-talk digest..."<br>> <br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> 1. Re: Further Discussion on Increasing Diversity (Steven Johnson)<br>> 2. Re: Further Discussion on Increasing Diversity (Kate Chapman)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 11:12:24 -0400<br>> From: Steven Johnson <sejohnson8@gmail.com><br>> To: Kate Chapman <kate@maploser.com>, diversity-talk<br>> <diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org>, teachosm@openstreetmap.org<br>> Subject: Re: [diversity-talk] Further Discussion on Increasing<br>> Diversity<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <CAG4b_xS7ktM0KQs8RtUzFiCVa1DQEgZbmVSmPm=z3Mh=D6e==g@mail.gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> Kate & lists,<br>> <br>> If you mean, Wed, 2 April then yes, count me in.<br>> <br>> As fodder for the discussion, here's an article about a college trying to<br>> make CS studies more inclusive: http://tinyurl.com/ltl8yhr There are some<br>> transferable lessons for the OSM community.<br>> <br>> I'm cross-posting this reply to teachosm list because I've come to the<br>> conclusion that the route to diversity is goes directly through education<br>> and outreach. If we train middle- and high-schoolers to get involved<br>> mapping at a younger age, we stand a better chance at broadening the base<br>> of contributors. But we need an effort that scales and can be pitched<br>> toward a younger audience.<br>> <br>> Perhaps we can talk about this on the Wed call and tee up a follow-up<br>> birds-of-a-feather session the upcoming State o' the Map conference.<br>> <br>> SEJ<br>> <br>> -- SEJ<br>> -- twitter: @geomantic<br>> -- skype: sejohnson8<br>> <br>> There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate from<br>> incomplete data.<br>> <br>> <br>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Kate Chapman <kate@maploser.com> wrote:<br>> <br>> > Hi All,<br>> ><br>> > How about we schedule a meeting next week to discuss some possible<br>> > steps? If I suggest Wednesday at 14:00 UTC does that work for most<br>> > people that are interested?<br>> ><br>> > I'll volunteer HOT's mumble server(1) for the discuss unless someone<br>> > wants to volunteer a conference call line (which works<br>> > internationally).<br>> ><br>> > Thanks,<br>> ><br>> > -Kate<br>> ><br>> > (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble<br>> ><br>> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Kate Chapman <kate@maploser.com> wrote:<br>> > > Hi All,<br>> > ><br>> > > I just wanted to share this article on editathons aimed at closing the<br>> > > gender gap in Wikipedia(1).<br>> > ><br>> > > Another item we could think about for mapping parties is to have a<br>> > > diversity statement. Groups could simply link to it on their meet-up<br>> > > page or whatever software they are using to organize.<br>> > ><br>> > > Thanks,<br>> > ><br>> > > -Kate<br>> > > (1)<br>> > http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/2014/02/edit-a-thons-aim-to-erase-wikipedias-gender-gap<br>> > ><br>> > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Randal Hale<br>> > > <rjhale@northrivergeographic.com> wrote:<br>> > >> I think the biggest problem in general is attracting new people - be<br>> > they<br>> > >> black white male female or green.<br>> > >><br>> > >> OSM is a niche thing - It doesn't matter what is done with new editors<br>> > and<br>> > >> new ideas - your typical user isn't going to muck around in the wiki<br>> > (which<br>> > >> is a mess) OR get on a talk list and hope to get one of the people that<br>> > >> don't consider OSM their own personal playground.<br>> > >><br>> > >> If you want to learn OSM on the WIKI one of the first things covered it<br>> > >> loading GPX data - once again new users don't care about that (maybe<br>> > when<br>> > >> they get more advanced - yes). The LearnOSM site is good - BUT - which<br>> > is<br>> > >> definitive? The wiki OR the LearnOSM site (or maybe they both have<br>> > their own<br>> > >> merits.<br>> > >><br>> > >> I always try to look at it from a "win" perspective - how does OSM win?<br>> > For<br>> > >> me it's a win if I can convince an elderly person to map their<br>> > neighborhood<br>> > >> or a kid to map their elementary school or something they enjoy. I have<br>> > >> tried these very things - but knowing I would be the portal into OSM -<br>> > there<br>> > >> isn't a good spot for them to get that type of support and<br>> > understanding and<br>> > >> get questions answered. I spent a wonderful amount of time in the US<br>> > Virgin<br>> > >> Islands working this previous summer - and that was always something I<br>> > >> wondered about "How can I convince a resident to show what they "love"<br>> > on<br>> > >> OSM - be it their neighborhood or school or church?" The second question<br>> > >> became if I do this - "who will they end up talking to if they get<br>> > active".<br>> > >> The second question always worried me.<br>> > >><br>> > >> We've had conversations on this end about the "community map" aspect to<br>> > OSM<br>> > >> - is it really just that? We've been beating a dead horse on other talk<br>> > >> lists on "OSM Community" - and I think that is something that needs<br>> > >> definition - who do you want in OSM? Is it everyone? Is it only a select<br>> > >> group? What is the current community? How is that defined?<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> Randy<br>> > >><br>> > >> -----------------<br>> > >> Randal Hale, GISP<br>> > >> North River Geographic Systems, Inc<br>> > >> http://www.northrivergeographic.com<br>> > >> 423.653.3611 rjhale@northrivergeographic.com<br>> > >> rjhale@northrivergeographic.com<br>> > >> twitter:rjhale<br>> > >> http://about.me/rjhale<br>> > >><br>> > >> On 02/13/2014 08:29 AM, Alex Barth wrote:<br>> > >><br>> > >> My top two priorities for increasing diversity, especially at events,<br>> > are:<br>> > >><br>> > >> - Appeal to newcomers. We're never going to create diversity with the<br>> > people<br>> > >> who are already part of OSM, so I try to make sure I'm speaking to the<br>> > >> people who I haven't met yet rather than the crowd who's in the know.<br>> > >> - I make a personal effort to reach out to women to get involved.<br>> > Diversity<br>> > >> is not just more women, I know, but this is actionable.<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Fozy 81 <fozy81@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> Hi All,<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> Yes, I'd be interested to attend a meeting on Diversity.<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> And on mapping parties/meetups. The wiki could be updated to include a<br>> > few<br>> > >>> tips on how to be inclusive.<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> So in my experience - first I started in a pub on a week night. And to<br>> > be<br>> > >>> honest that is an easy way to start (no room hire, convenient, beer).<br>> > And<br>> > >>> nothing wrong with that . But have made the effort to mix it up with<br>> > >>> different venues and times to possibly attract different groups (which<br>> > has<br>> > >>> worked to some extent).<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> So I guess, the main thing is to run an event - it's a fun thing to do<br>> > and<br>> > >>> will gather the existing community and may attract new people. But<br>> > IMHO if<br>> > >>> you are planning on running a series of events - try to mix the venues,<br>> > >>> times and groups you are interacting with. And try to find different<br>> > >>> contacts/ways to broadcast your event (social media, email, notices<br>> > etc).<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> + 1 all the advice on atmosphere/welcoming/questions etc<br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>> Tim<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> _______________________________________________<br>> > >>> diversity-talk mailing list<br>> > >>> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>> > >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk<br>> > >>><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> _______________________________________________<br>> > >> diversity-talk mailing list<br>> > >> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>> > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> _______________________________________________<br>> > >> diversity-talk mailing list<br>> > >> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>> > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk<br>> > >><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > diversity-talk mailing list<br>> > diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk<br>> ><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/diversity-talk/attachments/20140326/75111df9/attachment-0001.html><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 12:38:39 +0700<br>> From: Kate Chapman <kate@maploser.com><br>> To: Steven Johnson <sejohnson8@gmail.com><br>> Cc: diversity-talk <diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org>,<br>> teachosm@openstreetmap.org<br>> Subject: Re: [diversity-talk] Further Discussion on Increasing<br>> Diversity<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <CAGn7mOrVfzYCBsxE61zf69cdth3soLSecbzYCf+Qat9aQ_vCZw@mail.gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>> <br>> Hi Steven,<br>> <br>> Yes April 2nd.<br>> <br>> I agree I think education is very important way to get people<br>> interested. HOT has been in the midst of a "University Roadshow"<br>> within Indonesia. We will have introduced 11 universities to<br>> OpenStreetMap as well as given students a chance to sign-up for<br>> workshops.<br>> <br>> Thanks,<br>> <br>> -Kate<br>> <br>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Steven Johnson <sejohnson8@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> > Kate & lists,<br>> ><br>> > If you mean, Wed, 2 April then yes, count me in.<br>> ><br>> > As fodder for the discussion, here's an article about a college trying to<br>> > make CS studies more inclusive: http://tinyurl.com/ltl8yhr There are some<br>> > transferable lessons for the OSM community.<br>> ><br>> > I'm cross-posting this reply to teachosm list because I've come to the<br>> > conclusion that the route to diversity is goes directly through education<br>> > and outreach. If we train middle- and high-schoolers to get involved mapping<br>> > at a younger age, we stand a better chance at broadening the base of<br>> > contributors. But we need an effort that scales and can be pitched toward a<br>> > younger audience.<br>> ><br>> > Perhaps we can talk about this on the Wed call and tee up a follow-up<br>> > birds-of-a-feather session the upcoming State o' the Map conference.<br>> ><br>> > SEJ<br>> ><br>> > -- SEJ<br>> > -- twitter: @geomantic<br>> > -- skype: sejohnson8<br>> ><br>> > There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate from<br>> > incomplete data.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Kate Chapman <kate@maploser.com> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> Hi All,<br>> >><br>> >> How about we schedule a meeting next week to discuss some possible<br>> >> steps? If I suggest Wednesday at 14:00 UTC does that work for most<br>> >> people that are interested?<br>> >><br>> >> I'll volunteer HOT's mumble server(1) for the discuss unless someone<br>> >> wants to volunteer a conference call line (which works<br>> >> internationally).<br>> >><br>> >> Thanks,<br>> >><br>> >> -Kate<br>> >><br>> >> (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble<br>> >><br>> >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Kate Chapman <kate@maploser.com> wrote:<br>> >> > Hi All,<br>> >> ><br>> >> > I just wanted to share this article on editathons aimed at closing the<br>> >> > gender gap in Wikipedia(1).<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Another item we could think about for mapping parties is to have a<br>> >> > diversity statement. Groups could simply link to it on their meet-up<br>> >> > page or whatever software they are using to organize.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Thanks,<br>> >> ><br>> >> > -Kate<br>> >> > (1)<br>> >> > http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/2014/02/edit-a-thons-aim-to-erase-wikipedias-gender-gap<br>> >> ><br>> >> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Randal Hale<br>> >> > <rjhale@northrivergeographic.com> wrote:<br>> >> >> I think the biggest problem in general is attracting new people - be<br>> >> >> they<br>> >> >> black white male female or green.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> OSM is a niche thing - It doesn't matter what is done with new editors<br>> >> >> and<br>> >> >> new ideas - your typical user isn't going to muck around in the wiki<br>> >> >> (which<br>> >> >> is a mess) OR get on a talk list and hope to get one of the people that<br>> >> >> don't consider OSM their own personal playground.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> If you want to learn OSM on the WIKI one of the first things covered it<br>> >> >> loading GPX data - once again new users don't care about that (maybe<br>> >> >> when<br>> >> >> they get more advanced - yes). The LearnOSM site is good - BUT - which<br>> >> >> is<br>> >> >> definitive? The wiki OR the LearnOSM site (or maybe they both have<br>> >> >> their own<br>> >> >> merits.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> I always try to look at it from a "win" perspective - how does OSM win?<br>> >> >> For<br>> >> >> me it's a win if I can convince an elderly person to map their<br>> >> >> neighborhood<br>> >> >> or a kid to map their elementary school or something they enjoy. I have<br>> >> >> tried these very things - but knowing I would be the portal into OSM -<br>> >> >> there<br>> >> >> isn't a good spot for them to get that type of support and<br>> >> >> understanding and<br>> >> >> get questions answered. I spent a wonderful amount of time in the US<br>> >> >> Virgin<br>> >> >> Islands working this previous summer - and that was always something I<br>> >> >> wondered about "How can I convince a resident to show what they "love"<br>> >> >> on<br>> >> >> OSM - be it their neighborhood or school or church?" The second<br>> >> >> question<br>> >> >> became if I do this - "who will they end up talking to if they get<br>> >> >> active".<br>> >> >> The second question always worried me.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> We've had conversations on this end about the "community map" aspect to<br>> >> >> OSM<br>> >> >> - is it really just that? We've been beating a dead horse on other talk<br>> >> >> lists on "OSM Community" - and I think that is something that needs<br>> >> >> definition - who do you want in OSM? Is it everyone? Is it only a<br>> >> >> select<br>> >> >> group? What is the current community? How is that defined?<br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Randy<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> -----------------<br>> >> >> Randal Hale, GISP<br>> >> >> North River Geographic Systems, Inc<br>> >> >> http://www.northrivergeographic.com<br>> >> >> 423.653.3611 rjhale@northrivergeographic.com<br>> >> >> rjhale@northrivergeographic.com<br>> >> >> twitter:rjhale<br>> >> >> http://about.me/rjhale<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> On 02/13/2014 08:29 AM, Alex Barth wrote:<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> My top two priorities for increasing diversity, especially at events,<br>> >> >> are:<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> - Appeal to newcomers. We're never going to create diversity with the<br>> >> >> people<br>> >> >> who are already part of OSM, so I try to make sure I'm speaking to the<br>> >> >> people who I haven't met yet rather than the crowd who's in the know.<br>> >> >> - I make a personal effort to reach out to women to get involved.<br>> >> >> Diversity<br>> >> >> is not just more women, I know, but this is actionable.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Fozy 81 <fozy81@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> Hi All,<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> Yes, I'd be interested to attend a meeting on Diversity.<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> And on mapping parties/meetups. The wiki could be updated to include a<br>> >> >>> few<br>> >> >>> tips on how to be inclusive.<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> So in my experience - first I started in a pub on a week night. And to<br>> >> >>> be<br>> >> >>> honest that is an easy way to start (no room hire, convenient, beer).<br>> >> >>> And<br>> >> >>> nothing wrong with that . But have made the effort to mix it up with<br>> >> >>> different venues and times to possibly attract different groups (which<br>> >> >>> has<br>> >> >>> worked to some extent).<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> So I guess, the main thing is to run an event - it's a fun thing to do<br>> >> >>> and<br>> >> >>> will gather the existing community and may attract new people. But<br>> >> >>> IMHO if<br>> >> >>> you are planning on running a series of events - try to mix the<br>> >> >>> venues,<br>> >> >>> times and groups you are interacting with. And try to find different<br>> >> >>> contacts/ways to broadcast your event (social media, email, notices<br>> >> >>> etc).<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> + 1 all the advice on atmosphere/welcoming/questions etc<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> Tim<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >> >>> diversity-talk mailing list<br>> >> >>> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>> >> >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> >> diversity-talk mailing list<br>> >> >> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>> >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk<br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> >> diversity-talk mailing list<br>> >> >> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>> >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk<br>> >> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> diversity-talk mailing list<br>> >> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk<br>> ><br>> ><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> diversity-talk mailing list<br>> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk<br>> <br>> <br>> End of diversity-talk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 2<br>> ********************************************<br></div> </div></body>
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