<div dir="ltr">Gah, I hate to miss this but I now have a mtg on client site at 1400UTC/10am EDT. In general, I have the most flexibility on Fridays, but I recognize there are a lot of schedules to accommodate. <div><br></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>-- SEJ<br>-- twitter: @geomantic<br>-- skype: sejohnson8<br><br>There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate from incomplete data.<br></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:22 PM, alyssa wright <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alyssapwright@gmail.com" target="_blank">alyssapwright@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
OK! I won't be able to make tomorrow but look forward to any insight and updates.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Alyssa.<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
> On Mar 31, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Kate Chapman <<a href="mailto:kate@maploser.com">kate@maploser.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi All,<br>
><br>
> Sorry for the delay, I should have responded to say March 31st is a<br>
> holiday in Indonesia and I wasn't going to make it. Let's stick to the<br>
> time tomorrow and then we can see about scheduling regular meetings. I<br>
> think having a meeting once a month or every couple weeks could be<br>
> beneficial.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> -Kate<br>
><br>
>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:27 PM, alyssa wright <<a href="mailto:alyssapwright@gmail.com">alyssapwright@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I won't be able to make April 2nd. Is it possible to speak on Monday, March<br>
>> 31st?<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Alyssa.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 5:38 AM, Kate Chapman <<a href="mailto:kate@maploser.com">kate@maploser.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Steven,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yes April 2nd.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I agree I think education is very important way to get people<br>
>>> interested. HOT has been in the midst of a "University Roadshow"<br>
>>> within Indonesia. We will have introduced 11 universities to<br>
>>> OpenStreetMap as well as given students a chance to sign-up for<br>
>>> workshops.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks,<br>
>>><br>
>>> -Kate<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Steven Johnson <<a href="mailto:sejohnson8@gmail.com">sejohnson8@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>> Kate & lists,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> If you mean, Wed, 2 April then yes, count me in.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> As fodder for the discussion, here's an article about a college trying<br>
>>>> to<br>
>>>> make CS studies more inclusive: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ltl8yhr" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/ltl8yhr</a> There are<br>
>>>> some<br>
>>>> transferable lessons for the OSM community.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I'm cross-posting this reply to teachosm list because I've come to the<br>
>>>> conclusion that the route to diversity is goes directly through<br>
>>>> education<br>
>>>> and outreach. If we train middle- and high-schoolers to get involved<br>
>>>> mapping<br>
>>>> at a younger age, we stand a better chance at broadening the base of<br>
>>>> contributors. But we need an effort that scales and can be pitched<br>
>>>> toward a<br>
>>>> younger audience.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Perhaps we can talk about this on the Wed call and tee up a follow-up<br>
>>>> birds-of-a-feather session the upcoming State o' the Map conference.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> SEJ<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -- SEJ<br>
>>>> -- twitter: @geomantic<br>
>>>> -- skype: sejohnson8<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate<br>
>>>> from<br>
>>>> incomplete data.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Kate Chapman <<a href="mailto:kate@maploser.com">kate@maploser.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Hi All,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> How about we schedule a meeting next week to discuss some possible<br>
>>>>> steps? If I suggest Wednesday at 14:00 UTC does that work for most<br>
>>>>> people that are interested?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I'll volunteer HOT's mumble server(1) for the discuss unless someone<br>
>>>>> wants to volunteer a conference call line (which works<br>
>>>>> internationally).<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> -Kate<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> (1) <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Kate Chapman <<a href="mailto:kate@maploser.com">kate@maploser.com</a>><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Hi All,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I just wanted to share this article on editathons aimed at closing<br>
>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>> gender gap in Wikipedia(1).<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Another item we could think about for mapping parties is to have a<br>
>>>>>> diversity statement. Groups could simply link to it on their meet-up<br>
>>>>>> page or whatever software they are using to organize.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> -Kate<br>
>>>>>> (1)<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/2014/02/edit-a-thons-aim-to-erase-wikipedias-gender-gap" target="_blank">http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/2014/02/edit-a-thons-aim-to-erase-wikipedias-gender-gap</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Randal Hale<br>
>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:rjhale@northrivergeographic.com">rjhale@northrivergeographic.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> I think the biggest problem in general is attracting new people - be<br>
>>>>>>> they<br>
>>>>>>> black white male female or green.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> OSM is a niche thing - It doesn't matter what is done with new<br>
>>>>>>> editors<br>
>>>>>>> and<br>
>>>>>>> new ideas - your typical user isn't going to muck around in the wiki<br>
>>>>>>> (which<br>
>>>>>>> is a mess) OR get on a talk list and hope to get one of the people<br>
>>>>>>> that<br>
>>>>>>> don't consider OSM their own personal playground.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> If you want to learn OSM on the WIKI one of the first things covered<br>
>>>>>>> it<br>
>>>>>>> loading GPX data - once again new users don't care about that (maybe<br>
>>>>>>> when<br>
>>>>>>> they get more advanced - yes). The LearnOSM site is good - BUT -<br>
>>>>>>> which<br>
>>>>>>> is<br>
>>>>>>> definitive? The wiki OR the LearnOSM site (or maybe they both have<br>
>>>>>>> their own<br>
>>>>>>> merits.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I always try to look at it from a "win" perspective - how does OSM<br>
>>>>>>> win?<br>
>>>>>>> For<br>
>>>>>>> me it's a win if I can convince an elderly person to map their<br>
>>>>>>> neighborhood<br>
>>>>>>> or a kid to map their elementary school or something they enjoy. I<br>
>>>>>>> have<br>
>>>>>>> tried these very things - but knowing I would be the portal into OSM<br>
>>>>>>> -<br>
>>>>>>> there<br>
>>>>>>> isn't a good spot for them to get that type of support and<br>
>>>>>>> understanding and<br>
>>>>>>> get questions answered. I spent a wonderful amount of time in the US<br>
>>>>>>> Virgin<br>
>>>>>>> Islands working this previous summer - and that was always something<br>
>>>>>>> I<br>
>>>>>>> wondered about "How can I convince a resident to show what they<br>
>>>>>>> "love"<br>
>>>>>>> on<br>
>>>>>>> OSM - be it their neighborhood or school or church?" The second<br>
>>>>>>> question<br>
>>>>>>> became if I do this - "who will they end up talking to if they get<br>
>>>>>>> active".<br>
>>>>>>> The second question always worried me.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> We've had conversations on this end about the "community map" aspect<br>
>>>>>>> to<br>
>>>>>>> OSM<br>
>>>>>>> - is it really just that? We've been beating a dead horse on other<br>
>>>>>>> talk<br>
>>>>>>> lists on "OSM Community" - and I think that is something that needs<br>
>>>>>>> definition - who do you want in OSM? Is it everyone? Is it only a<br>
>>>>>>> select<br>
>>>>>>> group? What is the current community? How is that defined?<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Randy<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> -----------------<br>
>>>>>>> Randal Hale, GISP<br>
>>>>>>> North River Geographic Systems, Inc<br>
>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.northrivergeographic.com" target="_blank">http://www.northrivergeographic.com</a><br>
>>>>>>> <a href="tel:423.653.3611" value="+14236533611">423.653.3611</a> <a href="mailto:rjhale@northrivergeographic.com">rjhale@northrivergeographic.com</a><br>
>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:rjhale@northrivergeographic.com">rjhale@northrivergeographic.com</a><br>
>>>>>>> twitter:rjhale<br>
>>>>>>> <a href="http://about.me/rjhale" target="_blank">http://about.me/rjhale</a><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On 02/13/2014 08:29 AM, Alex Barth wrote:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> My top two priorities for increasing diversity, especially at<br>
>>>>>>> events,<br>
>>>>>>> are:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> - Appeal to newcomers. We're never going to create diversity with<br>
>>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>>> people<br>
>>>>>>> who are already part of OSM, so I try to make sure I'm speaking to<br>
>>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>>> people who I haven't met yet rather than the crowd who's in the<br>
>>>>>>> know.<br>
>>>>>>> - I make a personal effort to reach out to women to get involved.<br>
>>>>>>> Diversity<br>
>>>>>>> is not just more women, I know, but this is actionable.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Fozy 81 <<a href="mailto:fozy81@hotmail.com">fozy81@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Hi All,<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I'd be interested to attend a meeting on Diversity.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> And on mapping parties/meetups. The wiki could be updated to<br>
>>>>>>>> include a<br>
>>>>>>>> few<br>
>>>>>>>> tips on how to be inclusive.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> So in my experience - first I started in a pub on a week night. And<br>
>>>>>>>> to<br>
>>>>>>>> be<br>
>>>>>>>> honest that is an easy way to start (no room hire, convenient,<br>
>>>>>>>> beer).<br>
>>>>>>>> And<br>
>>>>>>>> nothing wrong with that . But have made the effort to mix it up<br>
>>>>>>>> with<br>
>>>>>>>> different venues and times to possibly attract different groups<br>
>>>>>>>> (which<br>
>>>>>>>> has<br>
>>>>>>>> worked to some extent).<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> So I guess, the main thing is to run an event - it's a fun thing to<br>
>>>>>>>> do<br>
>>>>>>>> and<br>
>>>>>>>> will gather the existing community and may attract new people. But<br>
>>>>>>>> IMHO if<br>
>>>>>>>> you are planning on running a series of events - try to mix the<br>
>>>>>>>> venues,<br>
>>>>>>>> times and groups you are interacting with. And try to find<br>
>>>>>>>> different<br>
>>>>>>>> contacts/ways to broadcast your event (social media, email, notices<br>
>>>>>>>> etc).<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> + 1 all the advice on atmosphere/welcoming/questions etc<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Tim<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>>>>>> diversity-talk mailing list<br>
>>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org">diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
>>>>>>>> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk</a><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>>>>> diversity-talk mailing list<br>
>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org">diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
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>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
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