<div dir="ltr"><div>Serge: what substantive changes to the CoC do you propose that would address the issue of neurodiversity?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Serge Wroclawski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emacsen@gmail.com" target="_blank">emacsen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just as a point of clarification, since I see words being thrown around.<br>
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Neurodiversity is a term like "gender diversity".<br>
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The term for people who fall inside the norms are "Neurotypical", and<br>
those who fall outside the normsĀ as "Neurodivergent". I don't love<br>
the se terms, but they're the terms that are currently in use.<br>
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The term neurodivergent is pretty broad in scope, and covers a wide<br>
spectrum of conditions. What's really important here is that for many<br>
of these conditions, social interaction is particularly difficult. It<br>
won't always be obvious to someone else that a person has a condition.<br>
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I disagree so strongly with tmcw when he says that the situation will<br>
be obvious and self-correcting. It won't be because there are going to<br>
be people who won't out themselves, such as the several neurodivegent<br>
people I've spoken to off-list about this topic. They don't want to<br>
talk about their conditions, and we need to accept that. in fact, I<br>
think that saying "Oh it's obvious" cuts to the point- we need a<br>
single set of rules, but those rules need to be crafted in such a way<br>
as to work for a group where social interaction may not be their<br>
strongest suit.<br>
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How might social interactions be effected? For example, as I mentioned<br>
before, standing too close, being too loud, asking socially<br>
inappropriate questions. It can also encompass things like impulse<br>
control issues (eg saying or doing something down that they might<br>
regret later).<br>
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None of these are an excuse for any behavior, but it means that one<br>
must be very precise about a problematic behavior. I've heard the term<br>
"makes people feel uncomfortable" bandied about, and I don't see<br>
"making people feel uncomfortable" as a specific behavior that<br>
warrants any action.<br>
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I also feel strongly that how one handles these kinds of situations<br>
need to be codified in the code(s) of conduct. As I mentioned on the<br>
Github regarding mailing lists, a code of conduct is a social contract<br>
between the community members and those in charge. That kind of<br>
agreement needs to flow in both directions, with community members<br>
knowing that they will be treated with respect at all times. It means<br>
that the specific ways that the rules should be enforced need to be<br>
codified in the same manner as the rules regarding unacceptable<br>
behavior.<br>
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It also means that we should be holding our rule enforcers to the<br>
same, if not a higher standard of behavior to the community at large.<br>
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Based on the number of people who have talked to me privately (and<br>
also to Jo whose been outspoken), I think we really need to be<br>
considering this in terms of rules, but also potentially in terms of<br>
how we organize events.<br>
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- Serge<br>
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