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Here's a thought - why don't you guys ask Alyssa what she thinks? <br>
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Could be a nice way to welcome her back. <br>
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Randy<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/02/2014 08:04 PM, Clifford Snow
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Paul
Norman <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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class="">On 12/2/2014 3:22 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:<br>
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Your justification for this seems to be behaviour
outside of this list<br>
and/or, and this is the bit I take particular offense
with,<br>
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"The private responses to me have generally expressed
that is part of a<br>
pattern of behavior, and not an isolated incident."<br>
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Which, in essence, means nothing less than people
having emailed you in<br>
private and influenced your decision by telling you
bad things about Serge.<br>
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I've been on the unpleasant end of moderation myself
and I can tell you<br>
that there's few things more hurtful than having a
"secret court"<br>
against you in which some people get the chance to
whisper something in<br>
the moderator's ear, and the moderator ends up partly
justifying their<br>
decision by what he's been told.<br>
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Given that this decision involves an outcome far exceeding
previous precedents[1] based on allegations he was not
given a chance to respond to and involved activities
outside the scope of the OSMF, I would strongly encourage
Serge to raise the moderator action to the appropriate
body as unreasonable. The appropriate body is probably the
CWG.<br>
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It should also be noted that moderator action cannot be
justified as enforcing a code of conduct when that code of
conduct has not been adopted with the consensus of the
list, list-wide consensus, a directive from a WG
responsible, or a board decision. A moderator could use
such a code of conduct as a guide to coming to a decision,
but the decision must be justified in of itself.</blockquote>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Frederik and Paul,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Am I to understand that felt Serge's
comments were acceptable behavior? I was expecting to find
that you at least didn't condone it. but sadly no where did
you say Serge's comments were unacceptable. I understand
wanting to go to bat for Serge. He is a big contributor to
OSM. But there needs to be consequences for our actions. I
don't think what he did is excusable. Personally I would like
to see Serge apologize to Alyssa and the community. We need
help understanding neurodiversity, Serge can help. </div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Kai Krueger, Jo Walsh, Melelani
Sax-Barnett, Alan McConchie and others all responded with well
crafted messages on this issue. Darrell even offered a process
for Serge to appeal his decision. </div>
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