<div dir="auto">Why not cancel it for Tanzania entirely and hold it in a less hostile place? They clearly don't want our money, why spend it there? </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 23, 2018 15:10, "Rory McCann" <<a href="mailto:rory@technomancy.org">rory@technomancy.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi<br>
<br>
I always presumed this was caused by people not considering it, rather<br>
than active malice. Straight privilege, eh? :)<br>
<br>
Yes there are limitations with holding events in NA/Europe, both legal<br>
(immigration systems) and practical (higher relative cost). SotMs'<br>
scholarship programmes are attempt to acknowledge and address this. And<br>
we should do better, and keep these barrier(s) in mind. There are<br>
countries in the global south, in Africa, where homosexuality is legal BTW.<br>
<br>
Some concrete, constructive suggestions:<br>
<br>
Inform any/all LGBTQ attendees that they need to go to Narnia (i.e. deep<br>
in the closet). This might be impossible for some (e.g. trans people).<br>
People should consider locking down their social media accounts, and<br>
consider what apps or photos they have on their phones. One run in with<br>
the police, and they look at your phone, and it's game over. (I didn't<br>
do this when I went to Tanzania, but I did when considering going to Iran).<br>
<br>
First option: Make this a no-LGBTQ event. Remove references to "sexual<br>
orientation" and "gender identity" from the CoC. Allow homophobic and<br>
transphobic harassment/abuse/insults at the event.<br>
<br>
Second option: Try to make this event as LGBTQ-friendly /as possible/.<br>
Reword the CoC to demote "sexuality" & "gender identity" sections to<br>
reflect this, and acknowledge that not all (homo/transphobic) incidents<br>
are actionable. i.e. Allow certain amounts of homophobic or transphobic<br>
insults/etc at the event.<br>
<br>
Your CoC already says police will only be contacted if the complainant<br>
wants it, that's good. I suggest another rule: "Don't report any<br>
attendees (& friends/family) to the police for LGBTQ activity"[0].<br>
<br>
In the last few months, the Tanzanian government[1][2], and police, have<br>
announced a crackdown on gay rights, and they're implementing it.<br>
Arresting LGBTQ people[3][4], and owners of venues[5], which host<br>
pro-LGBTQ events, and shutting down NGOs which promote LGBTQ<br>
rights[6][7].<br>
<br>
Can you trust the venue to not inform the police? If there's a dispute<br>
and you want to remove someone from the event, what will any local<br>
security staff, or local volunteers, do with those threats hanging over<br>
them? Be conscience that if you get the police involved in any incident,<br>
the accused might points out a homosexual in the mist to deflect<br>
attention & discredit your organization.<br>
<br>
LGBTQ people can go to Tanzania. But the organizers ability to enforce a<br>
CoC in this area is severely limited. This is why you cannot continue to<br>
call it a (LGBTQ) safe space.<br>
<br>
Good luck.<br>
<br>
Rory<br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
[0] Specific wording. A general "don't call police" enables abusers<br>
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[1] 'Seeds of hate' sown as Tanzania starts LGBT crackdown. The<br>
Guardian, 8 August 2016<br>
<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/08/seeds-of-hate-sown-as-tanzania-starts-lgbt-crackdown" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/<wbr>world/2016/aug/08/seeds-of-<wbr>hate-sown-as-tanzania-starts-<wbr>lgbt-crackdown</a><br>
<br>
[2] Tanzania suspends HIV/AIDS programs in new crackdown on gays.<br>
Chicago Tribune, 23 November 2016<br>
<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-tanzania-crackdown-on-gays-20161123-story.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.chicagotribune.com/<wbr>news/nationworld/ct-tanzania-<wbr>crackdown-on-gays-20161123-<wbr>story.html</a><br>
<br>
[3] Lesbianism lands four people in Mwanza court. The Citizen, 9<br>
December 2017<br>
<a href="http://www.thecitizen.co.tz/News/Lesbianism-lands-four-people-in-Mwanza-court/1840340-4220972-11ewf0x/index.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.thecitizen.co.tz/<wbr>News/Lesbianism-lands-four-<wbr>people-in-Mwanza-court/<wbr>1840340-4220972-11ewf0x/index.<wbr>html</a><br>
<br>
[4] Police arrest woman in Tanzania over video of same-sex kiss.<br>
Reuters, 2 December 2017.<br>
<a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-lgbt/police-arrest-woman-in-tanzania-over-video-of-same-sex-kiss-idUSKBN1DW0FP" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.reuters.com/<wbr>article/us-tanzania-lgbt/<wbr>police-arrest-woman-in-<wbr>tanzania-over-video-of-same-<wbr>sex-kiss-idUSKBN1DW0FP</a><br>
<br>
[5] Zanzibar police nab 20 over homosexuality. Daily News, 17 September 2017<br>
<a href="https://www.dailynews.co.tz/index.php/home-news/53017-zanzibar-police-nab-20-over-homosexuality" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.dailynews.co.tz/<wbr>index.php/home-news/53017-<wbr>zanzibar-police-nab-20-over-<wbr>homosexuality</a><br>
<br>
[6] State suspends NGO supporting gay marriages. Daily News, 21 October 2017<br>
<a href="https://www.dailynews.co.tz/index.php/home-news/53703-state-suspends-ngo-supporting-gay-marriages" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.dailynews.co.tz/<wbr>index.php/home-news/53703-<wbr>state-suspends-ngo-supporting-<wbr>gay-marriages</a><br>
<br>
[7] Nchemba: We’ve no room for gays. Daily News, 26 June 2017,<br>
<a href="https://www.dailynews.co.tz/index.php/home-news/51447-nchemba-we-ve-no-room-for-gays" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.dailynews.co.tz/<wbr>index.php/home-news/51447-<wbr>nchemba-we-ve-no-room-for-gays</a><br>
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On 16/02/18 22:55, Rachel Levine wrote:<br>
> Dear Rory,<br>
><br>
><br>
> *<br>
><br>
> Thank you for bringing up this important issue. We recognize the very<br>
> legitimate concern you raised and deeply regret any challenges this may<br>
> present to some in our community. This was not our intention.<br>
><br>
><br>
> When our working group made the decision, we were proud to announce the<br>
> first ever HOT Summit at one of our project sites, and the first ever<br>
> HOT Summit in Africa. One of the primary reasons for the decision was<br>
> inclusivity: with a number of our colleagues and community members being<br>
> unfairly denied visas in the last two years, this was a unique<br>
> opportunity to rotate the Summit to a non-North America/Europe location.<br>
> Our goal was simply to welcome so many of our friends and community<br>
> members who may have been previously left out; at the same time<br>
> fostering the growth and expansion of OpenStreetMap and FOSS in Africa.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Community input was requested at all stages of the process as we began<br>
> meeting more than three months ago. This included open group meetings<br>
> and a community survey in which over 110 people participated.<br>
> Unfortunately, this is the first time the issue has been raised and<br>
> highlights the importance of increasing diversity of all kinds in the<br>
> HOT and FOSS4G communities and Working Groups.<br>
><br>
><br>
> We will take the following actions based on your message:<br>
><br>
> *<br>
><br>
> Review the code of conduct to make sure it communicates correctly<br>
> (we welcome you and others to help with this and/or join our Working<br>
> Group)<br>
><br>
> *<br>
><br>
> Add specific travel guidance to the website on safety and security<br>
><br>
> *<br>
><br>
> Make a commitment to ensure this is part of the discussion when<br>
> deciding the location for all of our future Summits, invite others<br>
> to join and help discuss<br>
><br>
><br>
> Again, we welcome help and participation from all community members in<br>
> making the event as inclusive as we, as a combined FOSS4G and HOT<br>
> community, possibly can. The joint vision behind locating the Summit in<br>
> Africa is indeed inclusivity and opening opportunities for traditionally<br>
> underrepresented groups. HOT strives for equal opportunities and<br>
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><br>
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> On 16 Feb 2018 11:10 am, "Rory McCann"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:rory@technomancy.org">rory@technomancy.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:rory@technomancy.org">r<wbr>ory@technomancy.org</a>>> wrote:____<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> So the HOT Summit is in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. But, erm,<br>
> it's illegal<br>
> to be gay in Tanzania[1]. Travel advice from the UK[2] and US[3]<br>
> governments repeats that: "Homosexuality is not tolerated".<br>
><br>
> The code of conduct for this conference[4] is (mostly)<br>
> excellent, it<br>
> covers "sexual orientation". But that's impossible in a<br>
> country with<br>
> such laws.<br>
><br>
> (IMO) this conference cannot be a safe space for LGBTQ<br>
> people[5]. We<br>
> have the strange situation of HOT saying "This is a safe<br>
> space for LGBTQ<br>
> people, but follow the law which makes your existence<br>
> illegal"[6]. I am<br>
> flabbergasted at how HOT can think this can be a safe space,<br>
> and HOT<br>
> runs the risk of looking like they don't know what a safe<br>
> space is...<br>
><br>
> There's nothing wrong (IMO) with a CoC adapted to local<br>
> laws[7]. But<br>
> please be honest. The conference venue is homophobic. HOT<br>
> should delete<br>
> the "sexual orientation" parts from your CoC. SotM Africa<br>
> 2017 in Uganda<br>
> had a similar CoC[8], and similar laws. There is talk about<br>
> (good) CoCs<br>
> being mandatory for events, and if this is what passes as a<br>
> CoC, then<br>
> we've already given up.<br>
><br>
> There's an argument about how far to go ("This country's<br>
> anti-discrimination law doesn't go as far as my home<br>
> country! Racist<br>
> country!"), but I think there should be *a* line. Let's talk<br>
> about that.<br>
> "Illegal to be gay or trans[9]" is (IMO) a good line for<br>
> LGBTQ issues.<br>
><br>
> It looks like limiting LGBTQ attendance wasn't a deal<br>
> breaker for HOT,<br>
> or that diversity/inclusivity just isn't thought about much,<br>
> which is sad.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Rory<br>
><br>
> [1] Technically same-sex sex is illegal, and so is having a<br>
> same-sex<br>
> spouse<br>
> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Tanzania" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>LGBT_rights_in_Tanzania</a><<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Tanzania" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https:<wbr>//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_<wbr>rights_in_Tanzania</a>><br>
> [2]<br>
> <a href="https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/tanzania/local-laws-and-customs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.gov.uk/foreign-<wbr>travel-advice/tanzania/local-<wbr>laws-and-customs</a><<a href="https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/tanzania/local-laws-and-customs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.<wbr>gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/<wbr>tanzania/local-laws-and-<wbr>customs</a>><br>
> [3]<br>
> <a href="https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Tanzania.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://travel.state.gov/<wbr>content/travel/en/<wbr>international-travel/<wbr>International-Travel-Country-<wbr>Information-Pages/Tanzania.<wbr>html</a><<a href="https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Tanzania.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://travel.state.gov/<wbr>content/travel/en/<wbr>international-travel/<wbr>International-Travel-Country-<wbr>Information-Pages/Tanzania.<wbr>html</a>><br>
> [4]<br>
> <a href="http://2018.foss4g.org/code-of-conduct.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://2018.foss4g.org/code-<wbr>of-conduct.html</a><<a href="http://2018.foss4g.org/code-of-conduct.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://2018.<wbr>foss4g.org/code-of-conduct.<wbr>html</a>><br>
> [5] Same-sex sex is illegal in TZ, along with having a same<br>
> sex spouse.<br>
> I haven't see anything on trans laws, but I think we can guess.<br>
> [6]<br>
> <a href="https://twitter.com/hotosm/status/964252343318532096" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/hotosm/<wbr>status/964252343318532096</a><<a href="https://twitter.com/hotosm/status/964252343318532096" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http<wbr>s://twitter.com/hotosm/status/<wbr>964252343318532096</a>><br>
> [7] I propose: "If the event covers a region where it's legal to<br>
> be gay, then the event cannot be held in a place where it's<br>
> illegal to<br>
> be gay." This makes SotM Africa (or global SotM) in Uganda<br>
> wrong, but SotM Tanzania in Tanzania OK. "SotM East Africa"<br>
> in Uganda would be OK.<br>
> [8]<br>
> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170710101126/http://sotmafrica.org:80/registration/code-of-conduct/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/<wbr>20170710101126/http://<wbr>sotmafrica.org:80/<wbr>registration/code-of-conduct/</a><<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170710101126/http:/sotmafrica.org:80/registration/code-of-conduct/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><wbr>https://web.archive.org/web/<wbr>20170710101126/http:/<wbr>sotmafrica.org:80/<wbr>registration/code-of-conduct/</a>><br>
> [9] "illegal to be trans" is often laws against<br>
> "crossdressing". This is<br>
> happening now in Aceh, Indonesia, and the modern Gay Pride<br>
> parades<br>
> sprung from such a law in New York, USA in 1969.<br>
><br>
> (I've been to Tanzania a few times, and it's a great<br>
> country, Dar &<br>
> Zanzibar are wonderful tourist destinations, and I totally<br>
> recommend the<br>
> area. But LGBTQ folk need to be careful.)<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 14/02/18 01:49, Tyler Radford wrote:____<br>
><br>
> Dear HOT Community,<br>
><br>
><br>
> You are invited to the 2018 HOT Summit at FOSS4G, August<br>
> 29-31in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania!<br>
><br>
><br>
> This year we again had a great selection of potential<br>
> locations for the HOT Summit and were faced with a hard<br>
> decision as we were very keen to have a joint event with<br>
> both the OpenStreetMap and FOSS4G communities. As a<br>
> first time chance to hold the Summit in a HOT project<br>
> location, and through a wonderful partnership we are<br>
> pleased to bring the HOT Summit to FOSS4G this year. HOT<br>
> will lead the “Widening Access and Humanitarian Mapping”<br>
> conference track. We welcome you to Tanzania -- home to<br>
> our flagship Ramani Huria and Data Zetu projects.<br>
><br>
><br>
> The Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial<br>
> (FOSS4G) conference is the yearly gathering of the OSGeo<br>
> community and this year they are looking to bring impact<br>
> stories to their audience. With humanitarian and<br>
> disaster response use of FOSS, especially in regards to<br>
> geospatial, the HOT community brings an amazing showcase<br>
> to an already impressive conference program. We can’t<br>
> wait to see the collaboration between these open<br>
> communities.<br>
><br>
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