<div><div dir="auto">Thank you all for the generous emails. And results, Selene, are very interesting. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I just wanted to chime in to say that I am so glad we are talking about - and changing - such dynamics. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best,</div><div dir="auto">Alyssa.</div><div dir="auto"> <br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 2:35 PM Mikel Maron <<a href="mailto:mikel.maron@gmail.com">mikel.maron@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><div>There is a work in progress pull request to add reporting of abusive users. </div><div><a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/1576" target="_blank">https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/1576</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>That just add code for reporting problems. All of the thinking about communication and process (outside of issues the DWG already handles like spam and vandalism) has not happened yet -- and I think folks on this list should help design this.</div><div><br></div><div class="m_-5689926477313648474ydpb1df0b81signature">* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</div></div>
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On Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 1:24:16 PM EST, Selene Yang <<a href="mailto:seleneyang1@gmail.com" target="_blank">seleneyang1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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</div></div></div></div><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="m_-5689926477313648474yahoo_quoted_0832527513" class="m_-5689926477313648474yahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a"><div><div id="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447"><div><div>Hi, Russell, thank you for your response. This are some initial results from the International Gender Representation Survey that we're conducting from Geochicas:<div>And if you haven't respond it yet, I invite you to do it here: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf2-MoTnCgqc3Jnu1zValuh6enKzR_049k1aAQtR2sl9qEJsw/viewform" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf2-MoTnCgqc3Jnu1zValuh6enKzR_049k1aAQtR2sl9qEJsw/viewform</a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>This are just part of the results in English, we still need to process the responses in French, Spanish and Portuguese. But it gives you a little perspective on how harassment or hostile situations are perceived. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><img src="cid:161ff43d7d570bab9f32" style="width:623px;max-width:100%"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><img src="cid:161ff43d7d58cc2baf31" style="width:667px;max-width:100%"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><img src="cid:161ff43d7d51d0d88ed3" style="width:662px;max-width:100%"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="m_-5689926477313648474yahoo_quoted_0832527513" class="m_-5689926477313648474yahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a"><div><div id="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447"><div><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447gmail_extra"><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447gmail_quote">2018-03-06 9:48 GMT-06:00 <span><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:russell.deffner@hotosm.org" target="_blank">russell.deffner@hotosm.org</a>></span>:<br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="m_-5689926477313648474yahoo_quoted_0832527513" class="m_-5689926477313648474yahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a"><div><div id="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447"><div><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447gmail_extra"><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447gmail_quote"><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447yqt6537176508" id="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447yqt90208"><blockquote class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447m_-3142141933936221260WordSection1"><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal">Dear Selene,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal">First, I am sorry – to anyone who has to deal with ignorance and/or harassment in the broader OSM community. I won’t pretend I can exactly put myself in your shoes, but I know I wouldn’t want to be there. I want to help build an environment where we at least have a way to address harassment. I took a quick look over the main website and searched the wiki for “harassment” and it only comes up with Codes of Conduct for conferences. A search for similar terms also returns pretty much nothing. So taking away those of us who know other OSM people and those who are brave enough to speak out on a list, etc. – how many potentially valuable contributors have been harassed out of the project because there is apparently nothing you can do about it?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal">I see great people on this list who I have no doubt can write an amazing Code of Conduct and maybe enforce it on this list and get other list admins to do the same, great start, but we really need the fundamental governance mechanisms to be adopted and enforced at the OSMF.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal">For clarity, I am a voting member of HOT and was their chair when we were in a similar situation and needed the mechanisms to enforce respectable behavior – which was not fun and took a long time. I am also a paying member of the OSM-US mainly because I run a few local meetups. But I am not, and will not be, a paying member of the OSMF until there is some significant work done to make OSM a safer community.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal">I urge everyone to pick their battles, but please – don’t feed the trolls,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal">=Russ<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal">Russell Deffner<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:Russell.Deffner@hotosm.org" target="_blank">Russell.Deffner@hotosm.org</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Selene Yang <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:seleneyang1@gmail.com" target="_blank">seleneyang1@gmail.com</a>> <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 6, 2018 7:56 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> OSM Diversity <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">diversity-talk@openstreetmap. org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [Diversity-talk] Who says we need a code of conduct?<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="m_-5689926477313648474yahoo_quoted_0832527513" class="m_-5689926477313648474yahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a"><div><div id="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447"><div><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447gmail_extra"><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447gmail_quote"><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447yqt6537176508" id="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447yqt90208"><blockquote class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447m_-3142141933936221260WordSection1"><div><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447h5"><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal">Hi! I wrote an entry in my OSM diary about diversity (<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SeleneYang/diary/43446" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap. org/user/SeleneYang/diary/ 43446</a>) in the community using the OSM Awards as an example, and one of the answers from an OSM collaborator was:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="m_-5689926477313648474yahoo_quoted_0832527513" class="m_-5689926477313648474yahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a"><div><div id="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447"><div><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447gmail_extra"><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447gmail_quote"><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447yqt6537176508" id="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447yqt90208"><blockquote class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447m_-3142141933936221260WordSection1"><div><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447h5"><div><div><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447m_-3142141933936221260gmail-deemphasize" id="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447m_-3142141933936221260gmail-comment41167" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Comentario de <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/cray33" target="_blank"><span style="color:#7092ff;text-decoration:none">cray33</span></a> el <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SeleneYang/diary/43446#comment41167" target="_blank"><span style="color:#7092ff;text-decoration:none">6 de marzo de 2018 a las 10:03</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="margin-left:52.5pt;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px"><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">fuck diversity. A man and a woman are different from each other. You can't change the nature<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal">So I guess... Who needs a CoC when we have such an inclusive and well mannered community. :sigh: This is not the first time I've read a violent response from a community member when it comes to gender related issues. I don't know if you recall the `man=made` vs `human=made` debacle, and yet we're still here debating whether or not we need to enforce a CoC.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal">I'm truly disappointed in the community.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal">Thanks for reading.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal">Sele.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Selene Yang Rappaccioli<br clear="none">Candidata Doctoral en Comunicación<br clear="none">Universidad Nacional de La Plata<br clear="none"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">@SeleneYang</span><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="m_-5689926477313648474yahoo_quoted_0832527513" class="m_-5689926477313648474yahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a"><div><div id="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447"><div><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><br clear="all"><div><br clear="none"></div>-- <br clear="none"><div class="m_-5689926477313648474yiv2874761447gmail_signature"><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="color:rgb(153,153,153)">Selene Yang Rappaccioli<br clear="none"></span><span style="color:rgb(153,153,153)">Candidata Doctoral en Comunicación<br clear="none"></span><span style="color:rgb(153,153,153)">Universidad Nacional de La Plata<br clear="none"></span><font color="#999999" face="arial narrow, sans-serif" size="2">@SeleneYang</font></blockquote></div></div>
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