<html><head></head><body>Yes the diversity statement has been beneficial. Plenty of people from marginalized groups have experienced lots of bad things, so one cannot assume that everyone agrees <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 April 2020 20:41:05 CEST, "Sören Reinecke via Diversity-talk" <diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hey,<br><br>is a Diversity Statement really necessary? I mean we are people who want diversity and we know that diversity is important for society's survival.<br><br>Cheers<br><br>Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram<div class="quote" style="line-height: 1.5"><br><br>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [Diversity-talk] UK Chapter Feedback on Diversity Statement<br>From: Rory McCann <rory@technomancy.org><br>To: Adam Hoyle <adam@osmuk.org>,diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>CC: <br><br><br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Adam,<br><br>Thanks for the feedback from OSMUK.<br><br>The 2nd line of the Diversity Statement says:<br><br>> We have created this diversity statement because we believe that a diverse OpenStreetMap community is stronger and more vibrant. A diverse community where people treat each other with respect has more potential contributors and more sources for ideas, and will create a better map. <br><br>Which could be read as a “why”. Personally, I view combating <br>racism/sexism/bigotry as a moral imperative. Also some OSM groups around <br>the world have welcomed the statement.<br><br>Just FYI there is no Diversity Working Group, but instead a Special <br>Committee. Working Groups are semi-permanent. This mailing list is for <br>general interest in OSM & diversity and isn't specifically for the <br>Diveristy & Inclusivity Special Committeee (DISCo!)<br><br>(Although I am on this list and on the DISCo)<br><br>On 19.04.20 22:38, Adam Hoyle wrote:<br>> Hi Diversity Working Group,<br>> <br>> I'm writing on behalf of the UK Local Chapter (OSMUK). Regarding the OSM <br>> Foundation Diversity Statement, we asked our members whether they <br>> supported the statement and to provide any anonymous feedback which we <br>> could pass on to the working group.<br>> <br>> The result was a broad level of support, with a few points, which I am <br>> passing to you here:<br>> <br>> I don't personally understand the problems yet and would love to<br>> find out, and increase the size and breadth of the community.<br>> <br>> <br>> I support this as it is, on the basis that any pro-diversity<br>> statement is better than none, but I think it's missing some<br>> important points. It says that OSM wants a more diverse community<br>> but not why! And it also fails to say clearly that diversity is<br>> good, and that discrimination is also bad.<br>> I would suggest, for example, adding a new sentence between the<br>> second and third sentences like "We believe that the greater the<br>> diversity in our community, the better OpenStreetMap will be.”<br>> <br>> <br>> It's a sad comment on life today that this is even necessary. Also<br>> a policy statement is merely a set of fine words which will remain<br>> empty without an action plan and without an enforcement procedure.<br>> <br>> <br>> I also agree with the comment about adding a sentence explaining why.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Best,<br>> <br>> Adam<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Diversity-talk mailing list<br>> Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct<br>> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-owner@openstreetmap.org<br>> <br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Diversity-talk mailing list<br>Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct<br>Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-owner@openstreetmap.org<br></blockquote></adam@osmuk.org></rory@technomancy.org></div></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</body></html>