<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Jeff</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; ">Lots of good prior-art to dig through. A few more I'd throw in are Stamen's Trulia Hindsight <a href="http://stamen.com/clients/trulia" style="font-size: 12pt; ">http://stamen.com/clients/trulia</a> (among the most astounding things I've seen on the internet ever, unfortunately down right now). One of my own old attempts at working with timely map data <a href="http://worldkit.org/wmstimenav/" style="font-size: 12pt;
">http://worldkit.org/wmstimenav/</a>. And for an idea why OSM and time data don't work out that great, back again to Stamen with Burning Map from yesterday <a href="http://maps.stamen.com/burningmap/#15/40.7763/-119.2074" style="font-size: 12pt; ">http://maps.stamen.com/burningmap/#15/40.7763/-119.2074</a></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>Frankie Roberto pretty much nailed it 3 years, how OSM and history don't and could possibly interact. Slides are worth perusing for sure.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;
"><span><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/frankieroberto/mapp-history-on-open-street-map">http://www.slideshare.net/frankieroberto/mapp-history-on-open-street-map</a><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; ">We've already jumped to 16 members on this discussion list. Who are all of you?</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;
">Mikel</div><div> </div><div>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jeff Meyer <jeff@gwhat.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "historic@openstreetmap.org" <historic@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:39 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Historic] welcome Historic OpenStreetMap, introductions<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id="yiv57452271">Hi Mikel - <br><br>Thanks for putting this together!<br><br>I'm Jeff. <chorus>Hi, Jeff!</chorus> - my primary interest in improving the quality and availability of digital map resources for improving history and geography education in schools. I'm based in Seattle and am working (when I'm not working to support this habit) on a variety of history & mapping-related projects.<br>
<br>OSM's infrastructure seems like a great foundation for building a historic mapping reference base for all the points you've mentioned. I'm not sure of a need to make OSM more history-aware, but that's a wholly separate discussion topic. What about a meeting at OSM/SOTMNA in Portland?<br>
<br>Per your request, here are some other historic mapping efforts that I think should be included in any discussion of this sort:<br>General-purpose / platform history mapping tools:<br>- MapStory - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.mapstory.com/">www.mapstory.com</a> - OpenLayers-based historic mapping infrastructure<br>
<br>Some sites that could use Historic OSM-type data (or vice versa):<br>- Big History - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.bighistoryproject.com/">www.bighistoryproject.com</a><br>- LookBackMaps - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.lookbackmaps.net/">www.lookbackmaps.net</a> (part of HistoryPin - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.historypin.com/">www.historypin.com</a>)<br>
- Pastmapper - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.pastmapper.com/">www.pastmapper.com</a><br>- Pleiades - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://pleiades.stoa.org/">pleiades.stoa.org</a><br>- Old Oakland - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.teczno.com/old-oakland">www.teczno.com/old-oakland</a><br>
- OldSF - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://oldsf.org/">oldsf.org</a><br>- OmnesViae: Roman Route Planner - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.omnesviae.org/">www.omnesviae.org</a><br>- ORBIS: Roman World Geospatial - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://orbis.stanford.edu/">orbis.stanford.edu</a><br>
- Ushahidi - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://ushahidi.com/">ushahidi.com</a><br>- visualeyes - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.viseyes.org/">www.viseyes.org</a><br>- Visualizing Emancipation - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://dsl.richmond.edu/emancipation">dsl.richmond.edu/emancipation</a><br>
<br>There's also a digital storytelling effort out of UVa, the name is escaping me.<br><br>Jeff Meyer<br>Global World History Atlas<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.gwhat.org/">www.gwhat.org</a><br><br> <br><div class="yiv57452271gmail_quote">
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Mikel Maron <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv57452271gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style=""><span>Hi</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;">
<br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;">A long time coming (though not at all approaching the time ranges we'll be dealing with) here's the OSM Historic list.</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;"><span>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic<br>
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I wrote up this description for what this list is about. It's not the finest crafted bit of text in the world, and you may even disagree with it, but here's my best conception of what we're about here. We can refine.</div>
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<span style=""><span style="white-space:pre-wrap;"> </span>This may now be the moment for OpenHistoricalMap. There's a critical mass of interest in exploring open collaboration of historic geodata. </span><br style="font-size:medium;">
<br style="font-size:medium;"><span style=""><span style="white-space:pre-wrap;"> </span>It makes a good deal of sense to approach this from the experience of OpenStreetMap. An open database and API, & free tagging with community discussion is a proven model for collaboration among a diverse set of uses. The software ecosystem offers much to build off: the API, renderer, editors, gazateer... </span><br style="font-size:medium;">
<br style="font-size:medium;"><span style=""><span style="white-space:pre-wrap;"> </span>Question for anyone who's looked at this closely is how tightly linked into <a target="_blank" href="http://osm.org/">OSM.org</a> should this be. As is, you can easily specify time delimited tags (start_date=*, end_date=*), but the OSM tool chain does not have in-built awareness for them. For an example of the problem, here's the situation for multiple years of Burning Man (http://osm.org/go/Tc4Ki1bp-). Should OSM.org itself become time-aware, or rather, should OSM.org continue to represent only the "present moment"? No matter the answer, there's one good and feasible approach here to the broader question, and in any case, OHM will benefit.</span><br>
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<br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;">There's a lot to talk about, and there's a lot to experiment with. First, let's convene. A few of us have already joined the list. Feel free to extend the invite to other folks interested in this topic. And please do _introduce yourself_ and how you're interested in historic mapping.</div>
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As for doing, I had in mind...</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;">
* Build a few solid example target use cases for OHM. A historic NYC gazateer. Mapping before and after effect of new oil industry infrastructure in Tanzania. Visualize Burning Man over the years.</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;">
* Set up software infrastructure to experiment, including custom, time sensitive render, filters for editing in JOSM, etc.</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;">
* Hash things out and do brilliant stuff.</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;">
Also curious to hear about other projects out there that overlap, and what kind of data is out there.</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;">
<div><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;">Welcome!</div><span class="yiv57452271HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;">
<br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;">Mikel</div></font></span></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font size="1">Jeff Meyer<br>Global World History Atlas<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.gwhat.org/">www.gwhat.org</a><br><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org">jeff@gwhat.org</a><br>
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