<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi Dan, oldsf.org is great. One thing I imagine we could do here is figure out a way for the street base map of SF to change along with the POI and media.</span></div><div> </div><div>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Dan Vanderkam <danvdk@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mikel Maron <mikel_maron@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Cc:</span></b> Jeff Meyer <jeff@gwhat.org>; "historic@openstreetmap.org" <historic@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:47 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Historic] welcome Historic OpenStreetMap, introductions<br> </font> </div> <br>
Hey all, I'm Dan! I'm currently a software engineer at Google NYC, but<br>my historical mapping interests fall squarely in the "personal<br>projects" realm. My "claim to fame" there is that I built & released<br><a target="_blank" href="http://oldsf.org/">oldsf.org</a> last year. I had a great time building it and have been<br>looking for more historical mapping projects ever since.<br><br>I put together a "history of the world" demo recently and started<br>shopping it around. (I sent out a link in an email a few minutes ago.)<br>This led me to Jeff, and hence this group.<br><br>My interest is in creating a free & open historical geo database. I<br>want to build the tools and the community which allow this to grow. I<br>imagine this as a site like wikipedia or OSM, but for historical<br>mapping. I want a place where people can create the "wikiprojects" of<br>historical maps.<br><br> - Dan<br><br>On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Mikel Maron
<<a ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Jeff<br>><br>> Lots of good prior-art to dig through. A few more I'd throw in are Stamen's<br>> Trulia Hindsight http://stamen.com/clients/trulia (among the most astounding<br>> things I've seen on the internet ever, unfortunately down right now). One of<br>> my own old attempts at working with timely map data<br>> http://worldkit.org/wmstimenav/. And for an idea why OSM and time data don't<br>> work out that great, back again to Stamen with Burning Map from yesterday<br>> http://maps.stamen.com/burningmap/#15/40.7763/-119.2074<br>><br>> Frankie Roberto pretty much nailed it 3 years, how OSM and history don't and<br>> could possibly interact. Slides are worth perusing for sure.<br>> http://www.slideshare.net/frankieroberto/mapp-history-on-open-street-map<br>><br>> We've already jumped to
16 members on this discussion list. Who are all of<br>> you?<br>><br>> Mikel<br>><br>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron<br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Jeff Meyer <<a ymailto="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org">jeff@gwhat.org</a>><br>> To: "<a ymailto="mailto:historic@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:historic@openstreetmap.org">historic@openstreetmap.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:historic@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:historic@openstreetmap.org">historic@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:39 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Historic] welcome Historic OpenStreetMap, introductions<br>><br>> Hi Mikel -<br>><br>> Thanks for putting this together!<br>><br>> I'm Jeff. <chorus>Hi, Jeff!</chorus> - my primary interest in improving the<br>> quality and availability of digital map resources for improving history
and<br>> geography education in schools. I'm based in Seattle and am working (when<br>> I'm not working to support this habit) on a variety of history &<br>> mapping-related projects.<br>><br>> OSM's infrastructure seems like a great foundation for building a historic<br>> mapping reference base for all the points you've mentioned. I'm not sure of<br>> a need to make OSM more history-aware, but that's a wholly separate<br>> discussion topic. What about a meeting at OSM/SOTMNA in Portland?<br>><br>> Per your request, here are some other historic mapping efforts that I think<br>> should be included in any discussion of this sort:<br>> General-purpose / platform history mapping tools:<br>> - MapStory - <a target="_blank" href="http://www.mapstory.com/">www.mapstory.com</a> - OpenLayers-based historic mapping<br>> infrastructure<br>><br>> Some sites that could use Historic OSM-type data (or vice
versa):<br>> - Big History - <a target="_blank" href="http://www.bighistoryproject.com/">www.bighistoryproject.com</a><br>> - LookBackMaps - <a target="_blank" href="http://www.lookbackmaps.net/">www.lookbackmaps.net</a> (part of HistoryPin -<br>> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.historypin.com/">www.historypin.com</a>)<br>> - Pastmapper - <a target="_blank" href="http://www.pastmapper.com/">www.pastmapper.com</a><br>> - Pleiades - <a target="_blank" href="http://pleiades.stoa.org/">pleiades.stoa.org</a><br>> - Old Oakland - <a target="_blank" href="http://www.teczno.com/old-oakland">www.teczno.com/old-oakland</a><br>> - OldSF - oldsf.org<br>> - OmnesViae: Roman Route Planner - <a target="_blank" href="http://www.omnesviae.org/">www.omnesviae.org</a><br>> - ORBIS: Roman World Geospatial - <a target="_blank" href="http://orbis.stanford.edu/">orbis.stanford.edu</a><br>> - Ushahidi - <a target="_blank"
href="http://ushahidi.com/">ushahidi.com</a><br>> - visualeyes - <a target="_blank" href="http://www.viseyes.org/">www.viseyes.org</a><br>> - Visualizing Emancipation - <a target="_blank" href="http://dsl.richmond.edu/emancipation">dsl.richmond.edu/emancipation</a><br>><br>> There's also a digital storytelling effort out of UVa, the name is escaping<br>> me.<br>><br>> Jeff Meyer<br>> Global World History Atlas<br>> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.gwhat.org/">www.gwhat.org</a><br>><br>><br>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Mikel Maron <<a ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Hi<br>><br>> A long time coming (though not at all approaching the time ranges we'll be<br>> dealing with) here's the OSM Historic list.<br>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic<br>><br>> I wrote up this description for
what this list is about. It's not the finest<br>> crafted bit of text in the world, and you may even disagree with it, but<br>> here's my best conception of what we're about here. We can refine.<br>><br>> This may now be the moment for OpenHistoricalMap. There's a critical mass of<br>> interest in exploring open collaboration of historic geodata.<br>><br>> It makes a good deal of sense to approach this from the experience of<br>> OpenStreetMap. An open database and API, & free tagging with community<br>> discussion is a proven model for collaboration among a diverse set of uses.<br>> The software ecosystem offers much to build off: the API, renderer, editors,<br>> gazateer...<br>><br>> Question for anyone who's looked at this closely is how tightly linked into<br>> OSM.org should this be. As is, you can easily specify time delimited tags<br>> (start_date=*, end_date=*), but the OSM tool chain does not
have in-built<br>> awareness for them. For an example of the problem, here's the situation for<br>> multiple years of Burning Man (<a href="http://osm.org/go/Tc4Ki1bp-" target="_blank">http://osm.org/go/Tc4Ki1bp-</a>). Should OSM.org<br>> itself become time-aware, or rather, should OSM.org continue to represent<br>> only the "present moment"? No matter the answer, there's one good and<br>> feasible approach here to the broader question, and in any case, OHM will<br>> benefit.<br>><br>><br>> There's a lot to talk about, and there's a lot to experiment with. First,<br>> let's convene. A few of us have already joined the list. Feel free to extend<br>> the invite to other folks interested in this topic. And please do _introduce<br>> yourself_ and how you're interested in historic mapping.<br>><br>> As for doing, I had in mind...<br>><br>> * Build a few solid example target use cases for OHM. A historic
NYC<br>> gazateer. Mapping before and after effect of new oil industry infrastructure<br>> in Tanzania. Visualize Burning Man over the years.<br>> * Set up software infrastructure to experiment, including custom, time<br>> sensitive render, filters for editing in JOSM, etc.<br>> * Hash things out and do brilliant stuff.<br>><br>> Also curious to hear about other projects out there that overlap, and what<br>> kind of data is out there.<br>><br>> Welcome!<br>><br>> Mikel<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Historic mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:Historic@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:Historic@openstreetmap.org">Historic@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic</a><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Jeff Meyer<br>> Global World History
Atlas<br>> www.gwhat.org<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org">jeff@gwhat.org</a><br>> 206-676-2347<br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Historic mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:Historic@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:Historic@openstreetmap.org">Historic@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic</a><br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Historic mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:Historic@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:Historic@openstreetmap.org">Historic@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic</a><br>><br><br><br> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></body></html>