<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Jeff</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; "><span>What are you using to serve tiles? mod_tile?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; "><span>I wouldn't worry about restricting tile rendering, at
least now as a blocker. Unlikely anyone would browse enough to fill up significant disk. And can simply monitor disk usage, if it starts to creep up, just dump the tile cache.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; "><span>-Mikel</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>* Mikel
Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jeff Meyer <jeff@gwhat.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mikel Maron <mikel_maron@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "historic@openstreetmap.org" <historic@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, December 17, 2012 1:57 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Historic] December Historical OSM Hangout Notes<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id="yiv1045195231">Hi Mikel!<div><br><div>Thanks for the offer - I've actually made some progress on this & should have the Rails Port hosted relatively properly (e.g. sending mail from the right place, etc.) in the next few days.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Tile serving has me a little stumped right now. That's really where the fun in historical mapping will be - seeing the rendered results of your mapping efforts. If we set up a tile server as part of the sandbox, I'd like to limit tile rendering at low zoom levels (say 15+) to selected bboxes, but need to figure out a way of doing this. Otherwise, I could end up owning a RAID array before I know it! : )</div>
</div><div><br></div><div>Any thoughts / suggestions are most welcome!</div><div><br></div><div>- Jeff</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="yiv1045195231gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="yiv1045195231gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Mikel Maron <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv1045195231gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div><span>Right on. Sorry to miss this one. (Going to miss the next one too, travelling that day).</span></div>
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<span>For the rails port, if having a server is a stumbling block, I can offer up space on GroundTruth's dedicated server.</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>* Mikel Maron * <a rel="nofollow" href="">+14152835207</a> @mikel s:mikelmaron<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jeff Meyer <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org">jeff@gwhat.org</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:historic@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:historic@openstreetmap.org">historic@openstreetmap.org</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:historic@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:historic@openstreetmap.org">historic@openstreetmap.org</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 5, 2012 3:11 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Historic] December Historical OSM Hangout Notes<br> </font> </div><div><div class="yiv1045195231h5">
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<div>Hi all - <div><br></div><div>We'll have better prep next time, but thanks to Eric Butler & Stefano Costa for joining in a fun conversation.</div><div><br></div><div>Items discussed:</div><div><div>- Introductions & review of interests</div>
<div> -- Stefano is an old-time OSM'er who also works with archaeological efforts in Italy, near the French border</div><div> -- Eric is here in Seattle and cannot remember what was in that empty retail space he passes on the street & wants to work backward as far as he can, using the extant OSM database as a starting point</div>
<div><br></div><div>- Discussion of a potential workflow for extracting semantic information from old maps using the OSM infrastructure</div><div> -- In many ways, this is a modification of Brad Thompson's work with <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://pastmapper.com/">pastmapper.com</a>: http://blog.pastmapper.com/vectorization/</div>
<div> -- Used Seattle's Pioneer square in 1878 as an example</div><div> -- Extract data for region of interest from modern OSM data using JOSM</div><div> -- Delete everything down to the road grid<br></div><div> -- If possible, warp a map to use as a base layer - see: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.mapwarper.net/">www.mapwarper.net</a></div>
<div> -- Trim the street grid down to what existed at the time </div><div> -- Start... artisinally.... building things up from scratch, using whatever sources are available</div><div> -- See: http://i.imgur.com/Mj2nh.jpg</div>
<div> ---- Clearly, this is overtagged & many of these tags belong in other systems, e.g. linked Historical Business Directories or People Directories or image databases, but it's stored here for now</div><div>
---- The roads are from modern OSM, the buildings & other information are hand-added</div><div><br></div><div>- Discussion of need for getting the Rails Port up & running already</div><div> -- I am behind on this, need to get moving</div>
<div> -- Stefano pointed out need for just having something to get started with</div><div> -- Stefano mentioned possible interest in Pleiades import, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>- Once the HO Rails Port is up & running, we could then identify what needs to be fixed to simplify and streamline the workflow</div>
<div><br></div><div>- Stefano: Interest in mapping geographic changes over time</div><div> -- e.g. paths of rivers over 100s of years</div><div><br></div><div>- Eric: Interest in being able to populate map information from geocoded business information, which is good once there are addresses. </div>
<div><br></div><div>- Jeff: I'd like to see greater International participation in the brainstorming for this effort, so that we're all more aware of various related efforts around the world & to make sure we're putting enough global perspective into our planning. (Is there ever too much?)<br>
<br></div><div>That's about it for now... need to get that Rails Port up and going...</div></div><div><br></div><div>Please send any suggestions or ideas to the list.</div><div><br></div><div>Next hangout: 9 January, 9am Seattle, 5pm London</div>
<div>- I'll market this one a little better & provide more advance notice.</div><div><br></div><div>Links discussed during the call (in chrono order (of course!))</div><div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.pastmapper.com/">www.pastmapper.com</a></div>
<div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.burkemuseum.org/waterlines/">http://www.burkemuseum.org/waterlines/</a><br></div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM-Historic">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM-Historic</a></div>
<div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/images/missrivoldpaths.jpg">http://www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/images/missrivoldpaths.jpg</a></div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://tiles.mapbox.com/jeffme/map/seattlebaist1912">http://tiles.mapbox.com/jeffme/map/seattlebaist1912</a></div>
<div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://orbis.stanford.edu/">http://orbis.stanford.edu/</a><br></div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://omnesviae.org/">http://omnesviae.org/</a></div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lodlam.net/">http://lodlam.net/</a><br>
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<br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jeff</div><div><br></div>-- <br><font size="1">Jeff Meyer<br>Global World History Atlas<br>twitter: GWHAThistory</font></div><div><font size="1"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.gwhat.org/">www.gwhat.org</a><br>
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