<div dir="ltr">Mikel is right on - we don't need to wait! : ) <div><a href="https://github.com/OpenHistoricalMap/openstreetmap-carto" target="_blank">https://github.com/OpenHistoricalMap/openstreetmap-carto</a><br></div>
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</div><div>You're absolutely correct about the default (tele-tubby) style looking funky for the Seattle data and even more correct about the need for tagging and styling discussions.</div><div><br></div><div>Right now, there are a bunch of issues of with the Seattle map that highlight OHM issues across the board:</div>
<div>- Modern tagging structures may not be relevant in the past - e.g. roads vs. tracks</div><div> -- I hacked up the core data to get around the rendering issues, but that's not a generally good habit</div><div>- Bad coastline (not really a style sheet issue, but a problem with the resulting output)</div>
<div> -- We need to add a coastline generator process</div><div>- Dirt roads end up looking like dashed lines, even though they are the main road</div><div> -- And... should dirt roads have "casings"?</div><div>
- The wooden pier that was the hub of much of Seattle's commercial businesses doesn't show up</div><div> -- I've started hacking around (very ugly style) with the OSM carto in TileMill to fix this.</div><div style>
-- see: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/CJWenXP.jpg">http://i.imgur.com/CJWenXP.jpg</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>So... I agree: styling and tagging need to support much more than they do now.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Want to start a tagging page for discussions on the wiki? (Or somewhere else appropriate for collaboration?)</div>
<div><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OHM">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OHM</a></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div>Jeff</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Mikel Maron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<span><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16.363636016845703px;background-color:transparent;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"><span>Today, we're looking at switching to the Carto stylesheet as a starting point, and adding in variables to filter on start_date and end_date. We'd manage the carto in github, so totally possible to experiment with styles. Will let everyone know how the sprint turns out today.</span></div>
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<span>-Mikel</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>* Mikel Maron * <a href="tel:%2B14152835207" value="+14152835207" target="_blank">+14152835207</a> @mikel s:mikelmaron<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px">
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<font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> sk53.osm <<a href="mailto:sk53.osm@gmail.com" target="_blank">sk53.osm@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:historic@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">historic@openstreetmap.org</a> <br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [OHM] Modifying the default renderer<br> </font> </div> <div><div><div class="h5"><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>I've been looking at the Seattle data and feel a bit dissatisfied with how the data looks. I realised that my issue was the early grid being represented as tracks.<br>
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</div>I believe that we should try and use a functional classification of highways for all historical periods, and keep the actual physical condition (whether a residential street is a muddy trackway, a narrow alley filled with ordure or a stone paved road with raised sidewalks) in distinct tags.<br>
<br></div>For most historical periods values of highway=motorway, trunk, motorroad will be irrelevant, but I think there will always be at least two classes of highways loosely corresponding to longer distance roads, and local routes: for now I would suggest continuing to use primary/secondary. I'm not sure that tertiary is relevant in the pre-car age. We should also consider whether specific tags are needed for pack-horse trails & mule paths: the remnants of both are common across Western Europe, usually now tracks or bridleways.<br>
<br></div>Whatever tags are used I think the appropriate cartography for main highways needs to be much more muted that what I've learnt is the "Telly Tubby style". One potential point of inspiration is the cartography of older editions of the Ordnance Survey's Roman Britain map (extract <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.bibliographics.com/MAPS/BRITAIN/BRIT-MAP-FRAME-25.htm" target="_blank">here</a>). WIth a single cartographic style covering multiple periods I think we should aim to be fairly conservative. Furthermore there are many style rules which can be removed. <br>
<br></div>Obviously any changes should wait until the main OSM site goves over to the CartoCSS style sheet. However, I think it's worth kicking off a discussion about both tagging & cartography at this point, before too much data is entered. So far it's only highways which have caught my attention: there may be some other feature classes which need a more period-neutral cartography.<br>
<br></div>Regards,<br><br></div>Jerry<br><br></div>PS. I'd love to hear a resume of the BoF session in SF.<br></div></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Historic mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Historic@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Historic@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
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