<div dir="ltr">This is awesome!<div><br></div><div>The project sounds great & your site is very impressive!!</div><div><br></div><div>For your dev efforts, let's take this offline with the dev team and we can fill you in on some of the customizations to iD that we've already made in a separate fork and to help get your dev environment up and running. We're trying to bring the OHM stack up to date with mainstream OSM.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd also love to learn more about how what features OHM would need to better support your heritage mapping efforts. The workshops sound fantastic.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, there are plans to get Overpass up and running, but I'm not sure how soon that will happen. If it's not clear, the editing environment for the time-slider example is actually <a href="http://www.openhistoricalmap.org">www.openhistoricalmap.org</a>. So, edit it openhistoricalmap and then see the results in either the OHM site or in the time slider. The time slider/vector tiles are pulling directly from the OHM database with frequent updates. I'm currently using JOSM to make edits, using <a href="http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/api">http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/api</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>Right now, the project is supported by private contributions and has sufficient funding for the next few years, but we could use all the help we can get! Particularly in the dev and development area! : )</div><div><br></div><div>Looking forward to talking further!</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jeff</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pieter Vander Vennet <<a href="mailto:pietervdvn@posteo.net">pietervdvn@posteo.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hey Jeff and others,</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply.</p>
<p>So, first of all, Open Summer of Code is a yearly event organized
by Open Knowledge Belgium. They gather a lot of students, they
gather a lot of clients with a project (and funding for the
project). During July, the students work in groups of around 4 on
a project, I will be their coach.</p>
<p>The client is a small heritage organization based in Flanders.
They already had a project to map chimneys and old industrial
buildings. Some are still existing, others are already torn down.
Their map can be found here:
<a class="gmail-m_7668144470990316273moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.erfgoedzuidwest.be/content/ik-xploreer-mee" target="_blank">http://www.erfgoedzuidwest.be/content/ik-xploreer-mee</a></p>
<p>They noticed that adding and managing geodata is pretty hard, and
they want a solution which does everything they need (which is an
awful lot).</p>
<p>For that, I had the idea to build upon OHM, and provide a custom
iD-editor with at least:</p>
<p>- Presets for chimneys, industrial buildings and similar</p>
<p>- Custom WMS-layers (they have a few WMS'es with old aerial
imagery, but I might add in some layers from
<a class="gmail-m_7668144470990316273moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://play.osm.be/historischekaart.html" target="_blank">https://play.osm.be/historischekaart.html</a> as well)</p>
<p>I personally have already some experience with tweaking iD (the
company I work for has a custom iD as well) - but the students
will have to do that ;)</p>
<p>If there is still some time left, we might also polish some of
the texts of OHM itself (because a lot of the things are still
pointing towards OSM, not OHM). We'll see how far we'll get and
how much of that is still needed by then, I didn't dive into the
details of the proposed changes mentioned.</p>
<p>For the workflow - the easiest would probably be to clone your
repos, work on them within the team and do a PR when things are
somewhat finished. <br>
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<p>At last, I'm also a little worried about one aspect: inputting
data is one thing, but if it is not possible to get it back, it's
all a little useless. For now, the <b>overpass</b>-instance seems
to be down. Do plans exist to revive it? Or do other ways exist to
get the data (e.g. loading via JOSM/QGIS/...)? And how easy is it
to customize your slider-example? The client will definitely want
to visualize all their data, both digitally and in print.</p>
<p>And how well-supported is the project? Will it all be hosted for
the coming years? We have a small budget for hosting as well,
perhaps we can help a little bit their (although the details will
be messy and we'll have to work something out with invoices and
such...)<br>
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<p>So, I hope you guys have a clearer idea of our project now!</p>
<p>I'll try to chime in on the next dev meeting, 12th of June at
10:00AM in Pacific Time (which is at 7 PM for me in Central
European Time). <br>
</p>
<p>And sorry for hijacking the mail thread a little, but previously,
my mails got lost unless they were replies so...<br>
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<p>With kind regards and looking forward to an answer,</p>
<p>Pieter Vander Vennet<br>
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<div>That is awesome. If you'd like, you can make some mods to
ID in our repo here: <a href="https://github.com/OpenHistoricalMap" target="_blank">https://github.com/OpenHistoricalMap</a>.</div>
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<div>What presets did you have in mind?</div>
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<div>Jim, Seth - what's the best way for Pieter to help out
here?</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Jeff</div>
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<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I'm afraid my previous email has been lost into the void.</p>
<p>I will be the coach for Open Summer Of Code coming july.
A small heritage organisation asked us to create 'some
tool to make adding heritage data easier'.</p>
<p>I was planning to create an iD-fork for OHM with presets
that they would need - is that a good idea?</p>
<p>The slider is pretty cool btw!<br>
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<div>We had a good meeting this past Wednesday - thanks
to all attendees: Bert de Brujin, Charlotte Wolter,
Gregor Allenworth, Rob Warren, and Seth Fitzsimmons.</div>
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<div>Updates:</div>
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<div>- Gregor provided an overview of the <u>latest
timeslider demo</u> (see here: <a href="https://openhistoricalmap.github.io/openhistoricaltiles/mbgl-control-timeslider/demo/#15.000/49.55012/17.72994/1830,1800-1900" target="_blank">https://openhistoricalmap.github.io/openhistoricaltiles/mbgl-control-timeslider/demo/#15.000/49.55012/17.72994/1830,1800-1900</a>)</div>
<div>- Updates to the functionality include:</div>
<div> -- <u>Greater tolerance for incomplete date tags</u>
(e.g. it works with just year tags in smart ways)</div>
<div> -- <u>Support for negative dates</u> (!) - this
is a big deal, as normal database handling and
internet date standards (ISO 8601) don't support this.
Now, we can now go back into BCE - check this out: <a href="https://openhistoricalmap.github.io/openhistoricaltiles/mbgl-control-timeslider/demo/#15.998/29.97424/31.13004/-2493,-4000-2018" target="_blank">https://openhistoricalmap.github.io/openhistoricaltiles/mbgl-control-timeslider/demo/#15.998/29.97424/31.13004/-2493,-4000-2018</a> </div>
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<div>- Seth provided updates on:</div>
<div> - <u>Border handling at both high and low zoom
levels</u> - this is different from how OSM handles
borders, so this will be cool - you can get a preview
of how this works with Maine's historical borders
here: <a href="https://openhistoricalmap.github.io/openhistoricaltiles/mbgl-control-timeslider/demo/#6.247/45.93660/-67.31992/1784,1700-1900" target="_blank">https://openhistoricalmap.github.io/openhistoricaltiles/mbgl-control-timeslider/demo/#6.247/45.93660/-67.31992/1784,1700-1900</a></div>
<div> - <u>Integrating the time slider with the rest
of the OHM site</u> (aka the "Rails app") in the
next couple of weeks</div>
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<div>- Operating model updates</div>
<div> -- Discussed how decision making process will
work within the OHM community. </div>
<div> -- Rob agreed to look at the updates we are
proposing and if ok,,deploy them at some point in the
near future. Changes can be found at: <a href="https://github.com/OpenHistoricalMap/ohm-website" target="_blank">https://github.com/OpenHistoricalMap/ohm-website</a></div>
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<div>- Transition / launch strategy</div>
<div> -- Bert had a good suggestion that we may want to
run the new / vector tile-based site in parallel with
the existing site while we prove its reliability.
We'll be taking a look at how to make that possible.</div>
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<div>- Grant writing</div>
<div> -- Charlotte offered to help write grant
proposals to help fund OHM. This is awesome! I believe
we'll need to do a few things before we can truly
pursue funding: a) have a published governance model,
b) have a site that shows more of the capabilities /
applicability of this effort to 3rd parties, and c)
some affiliation with a non-profit organization,
either our own or an affiliate/sponsoring institution.</div>
<div> -- I believe we can & should use the time
that taking care of a, b, and c above will take to
identify and strategize around sources of funding.
Charlotte brought up Knight as a potential source.</div>
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<div>- Marketing updates</div>
<div> -- Jeff had not much to report here, but will
start writing how-to's.</div>
<div> -- If anyone has or knows of particularly good
examples to input to put into OHM, please let me know.
We chould potentially feature them as case studies.</div>
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<div>As always, please let me know if you have any
questions.</div>
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<div>Next meetings:</div>
<div>12 June, 10am PT, <a href="http://meet.google.com/bbn-yhvo-cps" target="_blank">meet.google.com/bbn-yhvo-cps</a></div>
<div>26 June, 10am PT, <a href="http://meet.google.com/bbn-yhvo-cps" target="_blank">meet.google.com/bbn-yhvo-cps</a></div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Jeff</div>
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