<div dir="ltr">Hi Jeff,<div><br></div><div>Which day at 1:30pm PT?</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 1:12 PM Jeff Meyer <<a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org">jeff@gwhat.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The meeting with the developers will be this week at 1:30pm PT on Google Hangouts - <span style="color:rgb(95,99,104);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;letter-spacing:0.3px;white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://meet.google.com/dtq-ykqr-jdo" target="_blank">meet.google.com/dtq-ykqr-jdo</a>. </span><div><br></div><div>Please let me know if you'll attend or have any specific questions or thoughts. Jerry's are great.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jeff</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 7:30 AM Jeff Meyer <<a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Jerry - <div><br></div><div>First of all, clearly, you know more about the JOSM extension world than I do. I just know it's tough to do edits with data from a bunch of time periods in the same area.</div><div><br></div><div>Any chance you could help me guide these efforts? : )</div><div><br></div><div>I haven't set up a time yet, but we could work around your schedule. If you could join us, that would be great!</div><div><br></div><div>For your questions, see my current draft answers below & I'm open to correction / suggestions for any of them.</div><div><br></div><div>Would you create a standalone OHM plugin? </div><div>- I'm not sure. Do you mean "not an internal JOSM plugin?" What I had in mind was an OHM editing plugin that you could select from the Preferences panel and was assuming that was not a JOSM internal plugin. What do you suggest is the best approach.</div><div><br></div><div>Would the code reside on GitHub? Josm still lives in SVN & the mirror Github repo is about 6 months out-of-date</div><div>- I was aware that JOSM was in SVN and assumed that that would be the best place to keep it.</div><div><br></div><div>Have you considered the <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Scripting" target="_blank">JOSM Scripting</a> plugin? This might be a way of achieving endpoint toggling w/o touching Jsom core.</div><div>- I had not! I'll check into it. To be far, endpoint toggling is not the core interest!</div><div><br></div><div>Validation has been in Josm core since 2013. What approach would you want to use for the validation/missing data flagging?</div><div>- Again, this is new to me, but in looking, I'd think we'd want to host the rules on an external URL from the normal JOSM validator rules, as those are OSM specific. Then, maybe add the rules with the same scripting tool that flips the end point? Does that make sense?</div><div><br></div><div>How would you plan maintenance? I'm always a bit flabbergasted how many plugins stop working when I spin up a version which is a few months old.</div><div>- Great Q, and one that I'd need to discuss with the developers. My guess is this would be a model where we'd wait until it broke, call up the devs and ask for a fix. Not the greatest model, as it's "just too late" instead of "just in time," but also probably more reasonable from a cost perspective. Unless, of course, we had a JOSM-plugin-smart member of the community who could help with that maintenance...</div><div><br></div><div>Any thoughts, suggestions? This whole idea is a blank slate right now. It'd be really great if you could join me on the call (and no additional duty beyond that... unless you want it! : ) )</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jeff</div><div><br></div><div><div></div></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 3:29 AM SK53 <<a href="mailto:sk53.osm@gmail.com" target="_blank">sk53.osm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Jeff,</div><div><br></div><div>Just some general queries about how you plan to do this?<br></div><ul><li> Would you create a standalone OHM plugin? </li><li> Would the code reside on GitHub? Josm still lives in SVN & the mirror Github repo is about 6 months out-of-date</li><li> Have you considered the <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Scripting" target="_blank">JOSM Scripting</a> plugin? This might be a way of achieving endpoint toggling w/o touching Jsom core.</li><li> Validation has been in Josm core since 2013. What approach would you want to use for the validation/missing data flagging?</li><li> How would you plan maintenance? I'm always a bit flabbergasted how many plugins stop working when I spin up a version which is a few months old.<br></li></ul><div>Personally, I'd be hesitant about anything which may require integration/forking/… with Josm core. Largely because it's enormous and changes frequently. Being hosted on SVN is also a downside.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd probably like something which automatically adds start & end dates as one creates data (or rather tags data, which is when a true historical element is created). They'd need to be set by the user for an editing session.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Jerry</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 23:12, Jeff Meyer <<a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr">Hi all -<div><br></div><div>I'm looking at getting some JOSM extension work done, talking with some developers next week & could use your input.</div><div><br></div><div>Here's what I have in mind so far, please let me know what else you'd suggest:</div><div><br clear="all">So far, suggestions include:<br>- Time-based filter / slider to make it easier to work on one point in time<br>- Warnings for ways / relations missing key tags: start_date, end_date, license, source, attribution, etc.<br>- Updated slippy map to point at OHM & not OSM<br>- Toggle to change between OSM and OHM API endpoint</div><div><br></div><div>Any thoughts?<br><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jeff</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>--- <br></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font size="1">Jeff Meyer</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="1">206-676-2347<br></font><div><span style="font-size:x-small">osm: </span><a style="font-size:x-small" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map" target="_blank">Open Historical Map (OHM)</a><span style="font-size:x-small"> / </span><a style="font-size:x-small" href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer" target="_blank">my OSM user page</a><br></div><div><div><font size="1">t: @OpenHistMap </font></div><div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><font size="1"><br></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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