Joseph-<br><br>Thanks for spotting Amman, <br>Great if someone can take a pass at the <a href="http://spotcatalog.appspot.com/">SpotImage catalog - app</a> or <a href="http://www.spot.com/web/SICORP/1249-sicorp-sirius-spot-image-online-catalogue.php">SpotImage online catalogue</a> and identify suitable scenes for us.<br>
<br>Ciao<br>Nicolas<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Joseph Reeves <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:iknowjoseph@gmail.com" target="_blank">iknowjoseph@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div>>I don't think Spot will be that helpful beyond what we have with Bing. Everywhere I've checked, medium-size and smaller cities >throughout Egypt have great Bing imagery.<br>
<br>
</div>The one exception within the area mentioned by Nicolas is Amman, which<br>
currently not covered by Bing imagery. This is probably not a priority<br>
at the moment, but could be potentially be an issue in the future.<br>
<br>
Cheers, Joseph<br>
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On 30 January 2011 14:51, Katie Filbert <<a href="mailto:filbertk@gmail.com" target="_blank">filbertk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:40 AM, nicolas chavent <<a href="mailto:nicolas.chavent@gmail.com" target="_blank">nicolas.chavent@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi there-<br>
>><br>
>> I found the below thread in Crisis Mappers about Egypt and Tunisia and<br>
>> mapping political crisis interesting.<br>
>> On our side, I think that the answer is just supporting the continuation<br>
>> of the OSM project in those territories with as always the question about<br>
>> the level of resources we can invest in this.<br>
><br>
> It would be a shame if we didn't devote significant effort to improving OSM<br>
> coverage, given the outstanding Bing imagery. Let's support our OSM mappers<br>
> there. (and hope they are safe!)<br>
><br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Most of the reported actions happening in the heart of the major cities<br>
>> this can lead to improving the mapping of those cities.<br>
><br>
> Cairo is already mapped quite good. The slum areas not as well, but Midan<br>
> Tahrir is good... good enough and really can only be improved with on the<br>
> ground mapping. (POIs, etc.)<br>
><br>
><br>
>><br>
>> It's unlikely that our classic outreach actions towards vector data will<br>
>> be successful to bring in good open vector data, perhaps we can get more<br>
>> luck with Spot on imagery if yahoo and bing can be complemented.<br>
><br>
> I don't think Spot will be that helpful beyond what we have with Bing.<br>
> Everywhere I've checked, medium-size and smaller cities throughout Egypt<br>
> have great Bing imagery.<br>
><br>
> -Katie<br>
><br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Any thoughts?<br>
>> Ciao<br>
>><br>
>> Nicolas<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>> From: nicolas chavent <<a href="mailto:nicolas.chavent@gmail.com" target="_blank">nicolas.chavent@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> Date: Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:31 PM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] Egypt + Tunisia + Jordan + ?<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:crisismappers@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">crisismappers@googlegroups.com</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hi there-<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for those who initiated and contributed to this thread which brings<br>
>> in the front the key questions that CM as a community has to consider when<br>
>> it comes to mapping conflicts or complex emergencies.<br>
>><br>
>> The below are some thoughts inspired by the situation in Tunisia and<br>
>> Egypt, I am speaking here only on my name and the below positions are not<br>
>> the one of HOT.<br>
>><br>
>> Tunisia, Egypt and Jordan call for maps by the CM network and I see no<br>
>> reason why this call shall not be answered. Conflicts or complex emergencies<br>
>> are in the scope of CM and all the points developed in the above thread<br>
>> apply to mapping happening in such a context and as such applies also for<br>
>> mapping in Pakistan or the the on-going mapping ongoing now in South Sudan.<br>
>> None of those points were raised in those 2 crisis. By mapping Flooding in<br>
>> Pakistan opens for the same question raised for Tunisia and Egypt, Pakistan<br>
>> being a complex emergency. The same applies for South Sudan. No questions<br>
>> raised and on our side an interestting mapping work done or in the making.<br>
>> Why acting differently in Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan or other countries from the<br>
>> Magrheb/ Mashrek?<br>
>><br>
>> Generally,in front of a conflict, CM is expected or has to create open<br>
>> baseline maps (transportation, hydro, boundary), open humanitarian baseline<br>
>> maps (warehouses, camps, bladder, mobile clinics) and maps of fluid<br>
>> situational facts (violence incidents, road blocks, protests, events ...).<br>
>> Classic mapping techniques and crowd sourced approaches will be mobilized<br>
>> within our network under openness as our operational paradigm: the crisis<br>
>> will be mapped by the crowd for the crowd, the crowd being any individual or<br>
>> group interested/ and or active for the territory struck by the crisis, this<br>
>> mapping will happen as the result of coordinated or uncoordinated actions by<br>
>> remote and on-site entities. OSM and ushaidi furnishing 2 paradigms of<br>
>> baseline and situational mapping by the crowd. The resulting maps are not<br>
>> going to be perfect, depicting accurately, timely and in a an "objective"<br>
>> fashion the reality of the crisis. We know from the experience that with the<br>
>> time and with participation, those maps will be portray ok the reality and<br>
>> will be usable assets for those on the ground or afar who are working on the<br>
>> territories hit by the crisis.<br>
>><br>
>> Sure mapping political crisis is a complex task (just think about the<br>
>> enormous academic literature on this subject by academics and practitioners)<br>
>> with implications, "no undo buttons", where mapping enters into politics.<br>
>> This did not prevent us from mapping in territories hit by conflicts or<br>
>> conflict prone (Pakistan and South Sudan). Are we going to have a different<br>
>> stand on Tunisia and Egypt and wait for digesting this complex and<br>
>> literature? The value of CM lies in its mix of people belonging to all those<br>
>> realms (academics, practitioners, social media activists, software<br>
>> developers etc etc ), an empiricist approach when it comes to learning, did<br>
>> not we learn from doing over the past years in the many crisis iterations?<br>
>><br>
>> My point here is that T, E and any country affected by a crisis deserves<br>
>> action on our end, that we will not start from nothing in terms of awareness<br>
>> about what mapping a crisis implies and that we will keep learning and<br>
>> contributing hopefully in a significant manner to the literature academic<br>
>> and operational about conflict/ complex emergency mapping by being active in<br>
>> this field.<br>
>><br>
>> The questions ahead of us are more on how CM can respond this call given<br>
>> that there are for each crisis tech issues and procedures issues for this<br>
>> and that resources are not infinite.<br>
>> Is it an objective for this group to ensure at the occurrence of each<br>
>> crisis the infrastructure for this mapping (baseline maps and situational<br>
>> facts) to happen with a first remote activation that can be then handed over<br>
>> on the ground to individuals and groups active throughout the crisis and<br>
>> willing to maintain it the way that both OSM and USHAIDI (in a more easy<br>
>> context) acted in Haiti with a hand over to C-OSM.HA (Communaute<br>
>> OpenStreetMap Haiti) and Noula.<br>
>><br>
>> This being said, like some intervening in the thread, I have almost no<br>
>> time to devote to Tunisia and Egypt, but most happy to support even<br>
>> minmially those who would stand up and strengthen the existing crowd map<br>
>> efforts mentioned in the thread.<br>
>><br>
>> I'd be also very interested in hearing about a crowd sourced mapping<br>
>> project to keep track of the political violences in Ivory Coast which is<br>
>> made necessary by the level of tensions on the ground and the real risk of a<br>
>> large scale political regional crisis.<br>
>><br>
>> I look forward to the continuation of this thread and to any answers or<br>
>> pointers on Ivory Coast<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks and best<br>
>><br>
>> Nicolas<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:21 AM, Leesa Astredo <<a href="mailto:leesaastredo@gmail.com" target="_blank">leesaastredo@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I feel that as a global community, it is imperative that we get<br>
>>> "involved" in all issues of the world. Isn't that why we all are here? To<br>
>>> inform the world? Good, Bad or indifferent. Our "clients" are global. If it<br>
>>> affects them, it should be addressed by us. IMHO. @viequesbound<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:44 PM, John Crowley <<a href="mailto:bostoncello@gmail.com" target="_blank">bostoncello@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This comment brings up a very good question for the community: when<br>
>>>> getting "involved" with conflicts and political movements, what is our<br>
>>>> stance on neutrality? Does CM get involved in supporting the efforts of a<br>
>>>> particular side? If so, what effects will such advocacy--or perception of<br>
>>>> advocacy--have on future efforts on our work in hard places?<br>
>>>> These are hard questions to be contemplated carefully.<br>
>>>> John<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:46 AM, omDesign <<a href="http://omdesign.is" target="_blank">omdesign.is</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I think it's well within the mandate of Crisis mappers and the SBTF to<br>
>>>>> get more involved with the Egyptian and Tunisian upheaval.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I have seen the <a href="http://25jan.crowdmap.com/" target="_blank">http://25jan.crowdmap.com/</a> Jan 25 crowdmap but with<br>
>>>>> democracy on the line and likelihood of violence the need and rationale<br>
>>>>> exists for translation/coordination/ and people first support measures.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Om<br>
>>>>><br>
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>> Nicolas Chavent<br>
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