<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Yes, simple tags. The goal of the HDM was to add tags to provide information that doesn't exist. Those tags that do exist are supposed to be worked into the model rather than make new ones to replace the regular OSM tags. I realize what is there now isn't perfect and could be improved.</div><div><br></div><div>As far was making data that makes sense to responders, processes to create those data transformations need to be further developed.</div><div><br></div><div>Kate<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Mar 14, 2011, at 7:19 AM, "Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)" <<a href="mailto:ajrlists@gmail.com">ajrlists@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="WordSection1"><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Peter Wendorff [<a href="mailto:wendorff@uni-paderborn.de"><a href="mailto:wendorff@uni-paderborn.de">mailto:wendorff@uni-paderborn.de</a></a>] wrote<br>>Sent: 14 March 2011 11:16 AM<br>>To: <a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org"><a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a></a><br>>Subject: Re: [HOT] Japan - Request for mission details<br>><br>>Hi.<br>>Nevertheless the questions Matthias asked are right.<br>>There is this HOT Data Model - but that model is not really good for<br>interested<br>>mappers.<br>>Perhaps it's useful for organizations using the data, but I miss a landing<br>page in<br>>the wiki for "tags often used in crisis mapping".<br>>The "standard" tags are (I hope) the usual ones, but the tags in question<br>are<br>>repeatingly the same:<br>>- how to tag a collapsed building?<br>>- how to tag a collapsed bridge?<br>>- how to tag a temporary bridge build by helping organizations?<br>>- how to tag a place where drinking water is availlable?<br>>- how to tag a place where "lost+found people" are listed?<br>>- (how) is it possible to state pre- and post crisis sources?<br>><br>>And last but not least: where and why does the tagging differ from standard<br>>tagging in OSM?<br>><br>>As far as I can see yet, HOT targets mainly at the "backend", organization<br>of<br>>aerial photographs and data sources - and trying to support organizations<br>>using the data. I miss the mapper as a target, yet.<br>><br>>regards<br>>Peter<br>><br><br>Having had plenty of experience in creating tags in OSM I'll give my view.<br><br>Richard Fairhurst wrote <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Duck_tagging"><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Duck_tagging">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Duck_tagging</a></a> as a<br>way of communicating a very simple point. If a tag is logical then the human<br>brain can read it and make sense of it. If the tag needs a translation to<br>make sense of it then it's not doing its job properly. If things are tagged<br>logically and in simple form then it's easy for mappers, especially new<br>mappers, to understand them and use them. The KISS approach works best (Keep<br>it Simple, Stupid).<br><br>The list in Peter's post above actually says what the tags might logically<br>be. E.g. Building=collapsed, bridge=collapsed, bridge=temporary,<br>amenity=drinking_water, emergency=missing_persons, earthquake=yes...... you<br>get the idea.<br><br>Of course this approach doesn't necessarily help humanitarian organisations<br>with the efforts on the ground, they use descriptions and codes that are on<br>the whole alien to OSM. Mapping from OSM tags to other data exchange formats<br>is needed and important but it doesn't need to be done by mappers, and nor<br>do I think it should be. Leave abstraction to those that can best manage the<br>data, by all means discuss tags here but keep it to the conventional tagging<br>format within OSM and don't try to solve the wider issues.<br><br>Cheers<br>Andy</span><o:p></o:p></p><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><hr size="1" width="100%" noshade="" style="color:#ACA899" align="center"></span></div><p class="avgcert">No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com"><a href="http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a></a><br>Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3505 - Release Date: 03/13/11<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>HOT mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>