<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><a href="http://www.who-eatlas.org/africa/">http://www.who-eatlas.org/africa/</a></div><div>it should be working! try now</div><div><br><br>Enviat des de l'<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Ipad de l'Eva, l'Africa i en Robert.</span></div><div><br>El 04/04/2012, a les 22:36, Stéphane Henriod <<a href="mailto:s@henriod.info">s@henriod.info</a>> va escriure:<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p>Thanks Roberto! Too bad we didn't meet up to discuss this at the conference today... </p>
<p>Unfortunately your link seems to be dead... Is there an alternative URL?</p>
<p>At least we all agree that hazard and risk assessment is key for disaster management...so now we have to find the best way to include those in (or around) OSM!</p>
<p>Sent from Android</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Le 4 avr. 2012 23:26, "Roberto Colombo" <<a href="mailto:robertcolombo@gmail.com">robertcolombo@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
plese check the <a href="http://who-eatlas.org/Africa" target="_blank">who-eatlas.org/Africa</a> and europe and emro to check sme rasters to ve used..we developed that trough the VRAM project at WHO..could this be helpfull? i might ask if this couls be added as I was engaged in the project and the methodology is public,y available..if anyone wants to replicate it I think ther would be no problem..<br>
Risk assessments are ke for prepardness awarness and as discussed today at the U<br>
GIS for Un meeting it's in many peoplmes mind...I advocate kfor that!<br>
roert colombo<br>
<br>
Enviat des de l'Ipad de l'Eva, l'Africa i en Robert.<br>
<br>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:18:58 -0700<br>
> From: Kate Chapman <<a href="mailto:kate@maploser.com">kate@maploser.com</a>><br>
> To: St?phane Henriod <<a href="mailto:s@henriod.info">s@henriod.info</a>><br>
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> Subject: Re: [HOT] Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model?<br>
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> Hi St?phane,<br>
><br>
> The issue I see is more that it will depend on the type of hazard data.<br>
> OpenStreetMap is usually used to map things that are visible on the<br>
> ground. I see it being difficult for some types of hazards to be collected<br>
> by the average person (not to say for some types it isn't easier). I'm not<br>
> saying it is less relevant to humanitarian actors, I'm saying that it<br>
> perhaps is better in another store and to be compared with OpenStreetMap<br>
> data.<br>
><br>
> People combine data with OSM data all the time. Everything isn't either an<br>
> in or out proposition. I think it is important to have relevant and<br>
> updatable information in OSM and be able to utilize it with other<br>
> information that might be less practical for us to collect.<br>
><br>
> -Kate<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:35 AM, St?phane Henriod <<a href="mailto:s@henriod.info">s@henriod.info</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi Kate,<br>
>><br>
>> I am browsing through inasafe website and it seems indeed pretty<br>
>> interesting and relevant for the issues I raised in my first email.<br>
>><br>
>> However, I believe that it is complementary rather than conflicting: what<br>
>> I would aim at is the possibility to collect hazard data in an<br>
>> OSM-compliant format that could, in turn, be used for risk analysis, for<br>
>> example with InaSAFE.<br>
>><br>
>> I see your point that hazard data (flood-prone areas, recurrent<br>
>> landslides, seismic zones...) might need to be located out of the main OSM<br>
>> DB, but I would be interested to read whether this opinion is mostly shared<br>
>> by other HOT members? What I mean is: is the hazard data really less<br>
>> relevant to the humanitarian and to the overall communities than the<br>
>> blocked roads, the IDPs locations or the Search and Rescue zones? IMHO,<br>
>> they would fall in the same category, so either everything in the main OSM<br>
>> DB, or everything out of it. Does that sound silly?<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks a lot for replying to me, and looking forward to engage the<br>
>> discussion with any other member that would feel interested!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> St?phane<br>
>> --<br>
>> "Le mot progr?s n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants<br>
>> malheureux" -- Albert Einstein<br>
>><br>
>> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be reason<br>
>> enough in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a journey, yet soon<br>
>> it is the journey that makes or unmakes you." -- Nicolas Bouvier<br>
>><br>
>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: <a href="http://www.henriod.info" target="_blank">http://www.henriod.info</a><br>
>><br>
>> Skype: [image: Skype name: marmotte_la_gueuse]<br>
>> Tajik mobile phone: <a href="tel:%2B992%20934%2062%2046%2062" value="+992934624662">+992 934 62 46 62</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 17:06, Kate Chapman <<a href="mailto:kate@maploser.com">kate@maploser.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hello St?phane,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I don't think it would really make sense to add many of those types of<br>
>>> hazards to OpenStreetMap. We've collected information such as areas<br>
>>> prone to flooding before but the actual hazard models should probably<br>
>>> stay separate. They can be combined with OpenStreetMap information<br>
>>> however to create impact models.<br>
>>><br>
>>> This is something currently being done by AIFDR and GFDRR with<br>
>>> InaSAFE: <a href="https://github.com/AIFDR/inasafe" target="_blank">https://github.com/AIFDR/inasafe</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> Best,<br>
>>><br>
>>> -Kate<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:14 AM, St?phane Henriod <<a href="mailto:s@henriod.info">s@henriod.info</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> Hello,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I am relatively new to OSM and completely new to Humanitarian OSM but<br>
>>>> extremely enthusiastic about both projects and would like to contribute<br>
>>> in a<br>
>>>> way that I will describe below, and for which I would appreciate your<br>
>>>> feedback and ideas.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Most humanitarian actors agree that the best response to an emergency is<br>
>>>> preparedness, not only in terms of behaviors but also data. What<br>
>>> strikes me<br>
>>>> when I look at HOSM data model is that I don't see anything for natural<br>
>>>> hazard delineation, for example. When responding to a crisis,<br>
>>> humanitarian<br>
>>>> actors might want to know in advance where to expect landslides,<br>
>>> avalanches<br>
>>>> and floods areas (for their own safety but also to "predict" where roads<br>
>>>> might be blocked or where facilities might have been affected). Seismic<br>
>>>> zonation is something that can be directly included in OSM; oldish data<br>
>>> is<br>
>>>> freely available from the GSHAP project, while the GlobalEarthquake<br>
>>> Model<br>
>>>> will provide with a more modern version in a few years.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> My question to the active and experienced members of the community is<br>
>>> thus<br>
>>>> the following: would you see any relevance to develop classes for<br>
>>> natural<br>
>>>> (and man-made?) hazards to be included in HOSM framework?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> As we can not expect the communities to have the technical knowledge of<br>
>>>> hazard scientists, the ontology would have to remain quite simple,<br>
>>> which is<br>
>>>> probably ok for humanitarian actors (who cares whether it's a<br>
>>> landslide, a<br>
>>>> rockfall or a debris flow? a general category "earth mass movement"<br>
>>> might be<br>
>>>> sufficient for our purpose). Also, a distinction should be made between<br>
>>>> "usual" events (those that occur relatively frequently but that might or<br>
>>>> might not be currently triggered) and actual events (that have been<br>
>>> actually<br>
>>>> triggered).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Many challenges ahead but before diving into it, I would like to check<br>
>>> with<br>
>>>> you if this idea has already been discussed and if it makes sense to<br>
>>> pursue<br>
>>>> it.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thanks a lot in advance and look forward to reading your comments,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> St?phane<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> "Le mot progr?s n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants<br>
>>> malheureux"<br>
>>>> -- Albert Einstein<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be reason<br>
>>> enough<br>
>>>> in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a journey, yet soon it<br>
>>> is<br>
>>>> the journey that makes or unmakes you." -- Nicolas Bouvier<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: <a href="http://www.henriod.info" target="_blank">http://www.henriod.info</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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> From: Fran Boon <<a href="mailto:francisboon@gmail.com">francisboon@gmail.com</a>><br>
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> On 4 April 2012 15:14, St?phane Henriod <<a href="mailto:s@henriod.info">s@henriod.info</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Most humanitarian actors agree that the best response to an emergency is<br>
>> preparedness, not only in terms of behaviors but also data. What strikes me<br>
>> when I look at HOSM data model is that I don't see anything for natural<br>
>> hazard delineation, for example. When responding to a crisis, humanitarian<br>
>> actors might want to know in advance where to expect landslides, avalanches<br>
>> and floods areas (for their own safety but also to "predict" where roads<br>
>> might be blocked or where facilities might have been affected). Seismic<br>
>> zonation is something that can be directly included in OSM; oldish data is<br>
>> freely available from the GSHAP project, while the GlobalEarthquake Model<br>
>> will provide with a more modern version in a few years.<br>
>> My question to the active and experienced members of the community is thus<br>
>> the following: would you see any relevance to develop classes for natural<br>
>> (and man-made?) hazards to be included in HOSM framework?<br>
>> As we can not expect the communities to have the technical knowledge of<br>
>> hazard scientists, the ontology would have to remain quite simple, which is<br>
>> probably ok for humanitarian actors (who cares whether it's a landslide, a<br>
>> rockfall or a debris flow? a general category "earth mass movement" might be<br>
>> sufficient for our purpose). Also, a distinction should be made between<br>
>> "usual" events (those that occur relatively frequently but that might or<br>
>> might not be currently triggered) and actual events (that have been actually<br>
>> triggered).<br>
>> Many challenges ahead but before diving into it, I would like to check with<br>
>> you if this idea has already been discussed and if it makes sense to pursue<br>
>> it.<br>
><br>
> Hi St?phane,<br>
><br>
> I would concur with Kate that within the OSM DB doesn't seem like the<br>
> best place to store it, but rather a place where it can be overlaid<br>
> with the OSM DB.<br>
><br>
> I'd be really interested to see if Sahana would make a good place to<br>
> store this data: <a href="http://eden.sahanafoundation.org" target="_blank">http://eden.sahanafoundation.org</a><br>
> We don't currently include Hazard data models, but rather just overlay<br>
> sources from elsewhere (typically WMS), but we would be very<br>
> interested in actually having these within the Sahana database.<br>
> I know that the Red Cross are interested in adding this to their<br>
> Sahana deployment.<br>
><br>
> Thoughts on this approach welcomed :)<br>
><br>
> Best Wishes,<br>
> Fran.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ------------------------------<br>
><br>
> Message: 3<br>
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:43:01 -0700<br>
> From: Eric Lovell <<a href="mailto:eric.j.lovell@gmail.com">eric.j.lovell@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: Kate Chapman <<a href="mailto:kate@maploser.com">kate@maploser.com</a>><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model?<br>
> Message-ID:<br>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>
><br>
> By assuming that the 'average person' is unable to collect relevant hazard<br>
> information, are we not claiming that only empirical top-down information<br>
> should be considered? Shouldn't place-based knowledge systems be the most<br>
> relevant systems for place-based hazards...that is "things that are on the<br>
> ground"? Isn't this counter intuitive to initiatives to 'democratize' data?<br>
><br>
> I have no input as to whether this type of information should be<br>
> incorporated into OSM. I think both Kate and St?phane have valid points.<br>
> Just food for thought.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Eric<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Kate Chapman <<a href="mailto:kate@maploser.com">kate@maploser.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi St?phane,<br>
>><br>
>> The issue I see is more that it will depend on the type of hazard data.<br>
>> OpenStreetMap is usually used to map things that are visible on the<br>
>> ground. I see it being difficult for some types of hazards to be collected<br>
>> by the average person (not to say for some types it isn't easier). I'm not<br>
>> saying it is less relevant to humanitarian actors, I'm saying that it<br>
>> perhaps is better in another store and to be compared with OpenStreetMap<br>
>> data.<br>
>><br>
>> People combine data with OSM data all the time. Everything isn't either<br>
>> an in or out proposition. I think it is important to have relevant and<br>
>> updatable information in OSM and be able to utilize it with other<br>
>> information that might be less practical for us to collect.<br>
>><br>
>> -Kate<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:35 AM, St?phane Henriod <<a href="mailto:s@henriod.info">s@henriod.info</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hi Kate,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I am browsing through inasafe website and it seems indeed pretty<br>
>>> interesting and relevant for the issues I raised in my first email.<br>
>>><br>
>>> However, I believe that it is complementary rather than conflicting: what<br>
>>> I would aim at is the possibility to collect hazard data in an<br>
>>> OSM-compliant format that could, in turn, be used for risk analysis, for<br>
>>> example with InaSAFE.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I see your point that hazard data (flood-prone areas, recurrent<br>
>>> landslides, seismic zones...) might need to be located out of the main OSM<br>
>>> DB, but I would be interested to read whether this opinion is mostly shared<br>
>>> by other HOT members? What I mean is: is the hazard data really less<br>
>>> relevant to the humanitarian and to the overall communities than the<br>
>>> blocked roads, the IDPs locations or the Search and Rescue zones? IMHO,<br>
>>> they would fall in the same category, so either everything in the main OSM<br>
>>> DB, or everything out of it. Does that sound silly?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks a lot for replying to me, and looking forward to engage the<br>
>>> discussion with any other member that would feel interested!<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> St?phane<br>
>>> --<br>
>>> "Le mot progr?s n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants<br>
>>> malheureux" -- Albert Einstein<br>
>>><br>
>>> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be reason<br>
>>> enough in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a journey, yet soon<br>
>>> it is the journey that makes or unmakes you." -- Nicolas Bouvier<br>
>>><br>
>>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: <a href="http://www.henriod.info" target="_blank">http://www.henriod.info</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> Skype: [image: Skype name: marmotte_la_gueuse]<br>
>>> Tajik mobile phone: <a href="tel:%2B992%20934%2062%2046%2062" value="+992934624662">+992 934 62 46 62</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 17:06, Kate Chapman <<a href="mailto:kate@maploser.com">kate@maploser.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Hello St?phane,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I don't think it would really make sense to add many of those types of<br>
>>>> hazards to OpenStreetMap. We've collected information such as areas<br>
>>>> prone to flooding before but the actual hazard models should probably<br>
>>>> stay separate. They can be combined with OpenStreetMap information<br>
>>>> however to create impact models.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This is something currently being done by AIFDR and GFDRR with<br>
>>>> InaSAFE: <a href="https://github.com/AIFDR/inasafe" target="_blank">https://github.com/AIFDR/inasafe</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Best,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -Kate<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:14 AM, St?phane Henriod <<a href="mailto:s@henriod.info">s@henriod.info</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> Hello,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I am relatively new to OSM and completely new to Humanitarian OSM but<br>
>>>>> extremely enthusiastic about both projects and would like to<br>
>>>> contribute in a<br>
>>>>> way that I will describe below, and for which I would appreciate your<br>
>>>>> feedback and ideas.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Most humanitarian actors agree that the best response to an emergency<br>
>>>> is<br>
>>>>> preparedness, not only in terms of behaviors but also data. What<br>
>>>> strikes me<br>
>>>>> when I look at HOSM data model is that I don't see anything for natural<br>
>>>>> hazard delineation, for example. When responding to a crisis,<br>
>>>> humanitarian<br>
>>>>> actors might want to know in advance where to expect landslides,<br>
>>>> avalanches<br>
>>>>> and floods areas (for their own safety but also to "predict" where<br>
>>>> roads<br>
>>>>> might be blocked or where facilities might have been affected). Seismic<br>
>>>>> zonation is something that can be directly included in OSM; oldish<br>
>>>> data is<br>
>>>>> freely available from the GSHAP project, while the GlobalEarthquake<br>
>>>> Model<br>
>>>>> will provide with a more modern version in a few years.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> My question to the active and experienced members of the community is<br>
>>>> thus<br>
>>>>> the following: would you see any relevance to develop classes for<br>
>>>> natural<br>
>>>>> (and man-made?) hazards to be included in HOSM framework?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> As we can not expect the communities to have the technical knowledge of<br>
>>>>> hazard scientists, the ontology would have to remain quite simple,<br>
>>>> which is<br>
>>>>> probably ok for humanitarian actors (who cares whether it's a<br>
>>>> landslide, a<br>
>>>>> rockfall or a debris flow? a general category "earth mass movement"<br>
>>>> might be<br>
>>>>> sufficient for our purpose). Also, a distinction should be made between<br>
>>>>> "usual" events (those that occur relatively frequently but that might<br>
>>>> or<br>
>>>>> might not be currently triggered) and actual events (that have been<br>
>>>> actually<br>
>>>>> triggered).<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Many challenges ahead but before diving into it, I would like to check<br>
>>>> with<br>
>>>>> you if this idea has already been discussed and if it makes sense to<br>
>>>> pursue<br>
>>>>> it.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Thanks a lot in advance and look forward to reading your comments,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> St?phane<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> "Le mot progr?s n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants<br>
>>>> malheureux"<br>
>>>>> -- Albert Einstein<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be reason<br>
>>>> enough<br>
>>>>> in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a journey, yet soon it<br>
>>>> is<br>
>>>>> the journey that makes or unmakes you." -- Nicolas Bouvier<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: <a href="http://www.henriod.info" target="_blank">http://www.henriod.info</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>>> HOT mailing list<br>
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>>><br>
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