<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I think validators need more help in this step. Integrate general QA tools (like Keep Right), and some basic, specific analysis. Take a before/after data view of the tile; simply analyse the number of new roads/buildings/trees/etc; visualize the change. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Mikel</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Kate Chapman <kate@maploser.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Pierre GIRAUD <pierre.giraud@gmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> HOT Openstreetmap <hot@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:09 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [HOT] [Tasking Manager] enhancements - testers required<br> </font> </div> <br>
Hi Pierre,<br><br>I think it is a requirement to validate tiles. Yes we haven't figured<br>out how to get people to do it, but I think that is an instructional<br>issue. Perhaps if the validators were given access to a greater<br>number of tiles to validate at a time. Maybe they could pick multiple<br>tiles at once.<br><br>Long-term I'd like to see the workflow so that you can define the<br>steps a task goes through. Meaning I could say I want all squares to<br>go through the following phases. Map the roads -> map the buildings -><br>validate. Then another task could have a complete different set of<br>phases. Map the residential areas -> map the water ways -> map the<br>roads.<br><br>We haven't quite figured out the validation yet, but it is important.<br><br>-Kate<br><br>On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Pierre GIRAUD <<a ymailto="mailto:pierre.giraud@gmail.com" href="mailto:pierre.giraud@gmail.com">pierre.giraud@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>> Ok, I've gone further with my experimentations.<br>> I'm really not satisfied with the validation workflow and I've tried to<br>> change it completely.<br>><br>> I'm convinced that it's not really a requirement to be able to "validate"<br>> tiles. It appears (looking at the statistics) that very few tiles have been<br>> marked as valid in the past jobs. I suppose that's because validation itself<br>> is not easy. It's easy to tell that a tile in invalid though. Thus, it's<br>> really a requirement to be able to "invalidate" tiles.<br>> In the version currently installed on dev server, the "validation" button<br>> doesn't exist anymore. The tiles can now take only 2 statuses "done" or "not<br>> done". Colors have been changed too. They're now more "common" to people's<br>> habits and they match the buttons colors too.<br>> Also, there's no need to lock a tile to tell it's invalidate. I think
this<br>> should be a quick process.<br>><br>> I intend to add a "message box". Users could for example receive messages<br>> from the application to be informed that a tile they previously worked on<br>> has been invalidated.<br>><br>> One other thing I changed is the "users tab". I simplified things by<br>> removing the numbers telling how much the users worked. As someone already<br>> told me, this is not a race. We don't need a winner.<br>> What I added though is the availability to see which tiles the given users<br>> worked on by highlighting them on the map. This feature has been asked<br>> several times.<br>><br>> Once again, feedbacks are welcome.<br>><br>><br>> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Augustin Doury <<a ymailto="mailto:augustin.doury@hotosm.org" href="mailto:augustin.doury@hotosm.org">augustin.doury@hotosm.org</a>><br>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Sorry for this second
email, I just want to add something about this point<br>>> of my last email :<br>>><br>>> 1) Limit how many times you could split the tasks, for a zoom level of 17,<br>>> maybe not more than once.<br>>> > sometimes tasks are splitted twice or more, it really slows the mapping.<br>>><br>>> On the "users" page,the number of tiles done by a contributor could depend<br>>> on the size of the tiles he has done :<br>>> - if he did not split tiles, show "1" for one tile<br>>> - if he did, show "0,25" for one tile which is from a tile splitted once.<br>>><br>>> Augustin<br>>><br>>> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Augustin Doury<br>>> <<a ymailto="mailto:augustin.doury@hotosm.org" href="mailto:augustin.doury@hotosm.org">augustin.doury@hotosm.org</a>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Hi! Couple things I realized this morning using the Tasking Manager
:<br>>>><br>>>> 1) Limit how many times you could split the tasks, for a zoom level of<br>>>> 17, maybe not more than once.<br>>>> > sometimes tasks are splitted twice or more, it really slows the<br>>>> > mapping.<br>>>><br>>>> 2) Make it easy to find which task you're working on,<br>>>> In the current version all "current worked on" tasks are highlighted in<br>>>> orange, maybe the task linked to your OSM account could be highlighted in an<br>>>> other colour.<br>>>><br>>>> 3) It's too easy to delete a task, it could be great to add one step more<br>>>> for security checking<br>>>><br>>>> Great to imagine how the new version will be!<br>>>><br>>>> Augustin<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Augustin Doury<br>>>> <<a
ymailto="mailto:augustin.doury@hotosm.org" href="mailto:augustin.doury@hotosm.org">augustin.doury@hotosm.org</a>> wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>> Thanks for that Pierre! Here are some comments :<br>>>>><br>>>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Pierre GIRAUD <<a ymailto="mailto:pierre.giraud@gmail.com" href="mailto:pierre.giraud@gmail.com">pierre.giraud@gmail.com</a>><br>>>>> wrote:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> - with this in mind, tiles url (in the address bar) can be used to be<br>>>>>> shared to someone else. This might be useful to use a tile as reference in a<br>>>>>> discussion between mappers,<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> > this is a real enhancement, especially with new mappers who want to<br>>>>> > have their work checked or to share it easily. I would use it
like every<br>>>>> > week.<br>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> - comments are now required when marking a task as done or<br>>>>>> (in)validating one,<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> > great, it could be good to have an informative message to explain what<br>>>>> > kind of comment is expected,<br>>>>> > maybe the person who create the job could choose this informative<br>>>>> > message.<br>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> - users have access to the tile change history.<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> > this is a real enhancement too I think<br>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Please write down any problems you see and your good or bad
feelings.<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> Something that could be great on the Tasking Manager's "users" page :<br>>>>><br>>>>> By clicking on the OSMid of a contributor or a validator, be able to :<br>>>>><br>>>>> - know which tile he has edited<br>>>>> - know which tile he has marked as "done"<br>>>>> - which tile he has validated<br>>>>> - and be able to select it easily and open it in "read-only" mode.<br>>>>> Great for quality assurance with new mappers, and great to find which<br>>>>> tile you have worked on yesterday.<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Thanks.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Off topic question:<br>>>>>> I'm not sure how important the locking is when an advanced user
wants<br>>>>>> to (in)validate the work done on a job.<br>>>>>> How about allowing validation without any lock. Or maybe we should<br>>>>>> rethink the validation process.<br>>>>>> Any thoughts?<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> > when a new register click on a task marked as done, he uses to<br>>>>> > validate or invalidate it quickly and don't think to just click on<br>>>>> > "unlock-it"...<br>>>>> I think a new validation process could be great, let it open for<br>>>>> everybody but be sure that all validators did it in an informed way and<br>>>>> don't validate or invalidate a task by mistake.<br>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Pierre<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> [1] <a href="http://tasks-dev.hotosm.org/"
target="_blank">http://tasks-dev.hotosm.org</a><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> --<br>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------<br>>>>>> | Pierre GIRAUD<br>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>>> HOT mailing list<br>>>>>> <a ymailto="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br>>>>>> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><br>>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> --<br>>>>> Augustin Doury<br>>>>> Openstreetmap Senegal Community Mobilizer<br>>>>> Humanitarian Openstreetmap Team (HOT)<br>>>>>
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