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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hey Katrina,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thinking on the low tech end, perhaps we could pull together a complementary workflow guide template? Drop picture here, place explanation here, intro paragraph
here, etc? That way task managers who don’t know Inkscape / Illustrator can still pull something together pretty easily? It took us a couple hours and hard copies of high-res imagery to pull together our workflow guide. It would be great if it was easier for
others to follow in our footsteps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#C00000">Robert Banick</span></b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D"> |
</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#C00000">GIS Coordinator</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D"> |
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<a href="http://www.redcross.org/"><span style="color:blue">American Red Cross</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#9F9FA3">2025 E Street NW, Washington, DC 20006<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#9F9FA3">Tel 202-303-5017 | Cell 404-964-3451 | Fax 202-303—052 | Skype robert.banick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Katrina Engelsted [mailto:katrina.engelsted@hotosm.org]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> HOT Openstreetmap<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [HOT] [Tasking Manager] enhancements - testers required<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To piggy-back on the<b> workflow discussion</b>, it would be nice if all tasks had specifics like the pdf that the Red Cross included in their task:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/50#workflow">http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/50#workflow</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Therefore, new mappers can understand the process better and it makes digitizing much more clear for all mappers. In the long run, it would probably help with speeding up the validation editing. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am not sure what would be the best avenue for ensuring that task managers include information like that, but I think that it is worth mentioning. Ideally, there could be some sample screenshots and descriptions that task managers could
quickly choose so that people understand what to look for and what the goals of the remote activation are. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Kate Chapman <<a href="mailto:kate@maploser.com" target="_blank">kate@maploser.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Pierre,<br>
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I think it is a requirement to validate tiles. Yes we haven't figured<br>
out how to get people to do it, but I think that is an instructional<br>
issue. Perhaps if the validators were given access to a greater<br>
number of tiles to validate at a time. Maybe they could pick multiple<br>
tiles at once.<br>
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Long-term I'd like to see the workflow so that you can define the<br>
steps a task goes through. Meaning I could say I want all squares to<br>
go through the following phases. Map the roads -> map the buildings -><br>
validate. Then another task could have a complete different set of<br>
phases. Map the residential areas -> map the water ways -> map the<br>
roads.<br>
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We haven't quite figured out the validation yet, but it is important.<br>
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<span class="hoenzb">-Kate</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Pierre GIRAUD <<a href="mailto:pierre.giraud@gmail.com">pierre.giraud@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Ok, I've gone further with my experimentations.<br>
> I'm really not satisfied with the validation workflow and I've tried to<br>
> change it completely.<br>
><br>
> I'm convinced that it's not really a requirement to be able to "validate"<br>
> tiles. It appears (looking at the statistics) that very few tiles have been<br>
> marked as valid in the past jobs. I suppose that's because validation itself<br>
> is not easy. It's easy to tell that a tile in invalid though. Thus, it's<br>
> really a requirement to be able to "invalidate" tiles.<br>
> In the version currently installed on dev server, the "validation" button<br>
> doesn't exist anymore. The tiles can now take only 2 statuses "done" or "not<br>
> done". Colors have been changed too. They're now more "common" to people's<br>
> habits and they match the buttons colors too.<br>
> Also, there's no need to lock a tile to tell it's invalidate. I think this<br>
> should be a quick process.<br>
><br>
> I intend to add a "message box". Users could for example receive messages<br>
> from the application to be informed that a tile they previously worked on<br>
> has been invalidated.<br>
><br>
> One other thing I changed is the "users tab". I simplified things by<br>
> removing the numbers telling how much the users worked. As someone already<br>
> told me, this is not a race. We don't need a winner.<br>
> What I added though is the availability to see which tiles the given users<br>
> worked on by highlighting them on the map. This feature has been asked<br>
> several times.<br>
><br>
> Once again, feedbacks are welcome.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Augustin Doury <<a href="mailto:augustin.doury@hotosm.org">augustin.doury@hotosm.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Sorry for this second email, I just want to add something about this point<br>
>> of my last email :<br>
>><br>
>> 1) Limit how many times you could split the tasks, for a zoom level of 17,<br>
>> maybe not more than once.<br>
>> > sometimes tasks are splitted twice or more, it really slows the mapping.<br>
>><br>
>> On the "users" page,the number of tiles done by a contributor could depend<br>
>> on the size of the tiles he has done :<br>
>> - if he did not split tiles, show "1" for one tile<br>
>> - if he did, show "0,25" for one tile which is from a tile splitted once.<br>
>><br>
>> Augustin<br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Augustin Doury<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:augustin.doury@hotosm.org">augustin.doury@hotosm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi! Couple things I realized this morning using the Tasking Manager :<br>
>>><br>
>>> 1) Limit how many times you could split the tasks, for a zoom level of<br>
>>> 17, maybe not more than once.<br>
>>> > sometimes tasks are splitted twice or more, it really slows the<br>
>>> > mapping.<br>
>>><br>
>>> 2) Make it easy to find which task you're working on,<br>
>>> In the current version all "current worked on" tasks are highlighted in<br>
>>> orange, maybe the task linked to your OSM account could be highlighted in an<br>
>>> other colour.<br>
>>><br>
>>> 3) It's too easy to delete a task, it could be great to add one step more<br>
>>> for security checking<br>
>>><br>
>>> Great to imagine how the new version will be!<br>
>>><br>
>>> Augustin<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Augustin Doury<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:augustin.doury@hotosm.org">augustin.doury@hotosm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thanks for that Pierre! Here are some comments :<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Pierre GIRAUD <<a href="mailto:pierre.giraud@gmail.com">pierre.giraud@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> - with this in mind, tiles url (in the address bar) can be used to be<br>
>>>>> shared to someone else. This might be useful to use a tile as reference in a<br>
>>>>> discussion between mappers,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> > this is a real enhancement, especially with new mappers who want to<br>
>>>> > have their work checked or to share it easily. I would use it like every<br>
>>>> > week.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> - comments are now required when marking a task as done or<br>
>>>>> (in)validating one,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> > great, it could be good to have an informative message to explain what<br>
>>>> > kind of comment is expected,<br>
>>>> > maybe the person who create the job could choose this informative<br>
>>>> > message.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> - users have access to the tile change history.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> > this is a real enhancement too I think<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Please write down any problems you see and your good or bad feelings.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Something that could be great on the Tasking Manager's "users" page :<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> By clicking on the OSMid of a contributor or a validator, be able to :<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> - know which tile he has edited<br>
>>>> - know which tile he has marked as "done"<br>
>>>> - which tile he has validated<br>
>>>> - and be able to select it easily and open it in "read-only" mode.<br>
>>>> Great for quality assurance with new mappers, and great to find which<br>
>>>> tile you have worked on yesterday.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Thanks.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Off topic question:<br>
>>>>> I'm not sure how important the locking is when an advanced user wants<br>
>>>>> to (in)validate the work done on a job.<br>
>>>>> How about allowing validation without any lock. Or maybe we should<br>
>>>>> rethink the validation process.<br>
>>>>> Any thoughts?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> > when a new register click on a task marked as done, he uses to<br>
>>>> > validate or invalidate it quickly and don't think to just click on<br>
>>>> > "unlock-it"...<br>
>>>> I think a new validation process could be great, let it open for<br>
>>>> everybody but be sure that all validators did it in an informed way and<br>
>>>> don't validate or invalidate a task by mistake.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Pierre<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> [1] <a href="http://tasks-dev.hotosm.org" target="_blank">http://tasks-dev.hotosm.org</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>>>> | Pierre GIRAUD<br>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>>> HOT mailing list<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
>>>>> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Augustin Doury<br>
>>>> Openstreetmap Senegal Community Mobilizer<br>
>>>> Humanitarian Openstreetmap Team (HOT)<br>
>>>> <a href="tel:%2B221773160902">+221773160902</a> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting <a href="tel:%2B221773160902">+221773160902</a><br>
>>>> end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting<br>
>>>> <a href="tel:%2B221773160902">+221773160902</a> end_of_the_skype_highlighting<br>
>>>> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting <a href="tel:%2B221773160902">+221773160902</a><br>
>>>> end_of_the_skype_highlighting<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Augustin Doury<br>
>>> Openstreetmap Senegal Community Mobilizer<br>
>>> Humanitarian Openstreetmap Team (HOT)<br>
>>> <a href="tel:%2B221773160902">+221773160902</a> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting <a href="tel:%2B221773160902">+221773160902</a><br>
>>> end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting<br>
>>> <a href="tel:%2B221773160902">+221773160902</a> end_of_the_skype_highlighting<br>
>>> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting <a href="tel:%2B221773160902">+221773160902</a><br>
>>> end_of_the_skype_highlighting<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Augustin Doury<br>
>> Openstreetmap Senegal Community Mobilizer<br>
>> Humanitarian Openstreetmap Team (HOT)<br>
>> <a href="tel:%2B221773160902">+221773160902</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> -------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> | Pierre GIRAUD<br>
> -------------------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>
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