<p dir="ltr">Would it be useful to partners on the ground if we set up a Maproulette-type thing to quickly compare post-storm imagery to the pre-storm structures we've mapped? It might go faster that way, and it seems to draw lots of participation.</p>
<p dir="ltr">One downside is that it might be tough to guarantee the needed horizontal accuracy to match a building with a particular pile of rubble.</p>
<p dir="ltr">-Bill Morris</p>
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2. Re: Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress - suggestions for wider<br>
areas (Jean-Guilhem Cailton)<br>
3. Re: Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress - suggestions for wider<br>
areas (maning sambale)<br>
4. Tagging scheme for damaged buildings (Andrew Buck)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 13:05:23 +0100<br>
From: Jean-Guilhem Cailton <<a href="mailto:jgc@arkemie.com">jgc@arkemie.com</a>><br>
To: Peter Ahlstr?m <<a href="mailto:ahlstrom.peter@gmail.com">ahlstrom.peter@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [HOT] Question/suggestion,<br>
<a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/340" target="_blank">http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/340</a><br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
Of course, you are right, this is an emergency, and what is needed first<br>
to deliver aid is to know where people live and how to get there<br>
(buildings can be useful later for more accurate assessments). This<br>
agrees with what has been said on this list before by Maning, who is<br>
very active in the Philippine OSM community, and by others.<br>
<br>
And also, mappers, please remember that ground information about damage<br>
comes in only after places can be reached, so it is not because it is<br>
not heared about a place that it is not affected. On the contrary,<br>
remote places, that are not obvious to reach on the ground, are those<br>
for which maps made from satellite view could be the most useful.<br>
<br>
Thank you for contributing.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Jean-Guilhem<br>
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Le 10/11/2013 11:18, Peter Ahlstr?m a ?crit :<br>
> Hi!<br>
><br>
> The task is to trace all roads and buildings. Is there a point in<br>
> mapping every single house even, for example, in clusters of buildings<br>
> in the countryside. Mapping these as landuse=residential must help to<br>
> speed up the process significantly. Isn't speed a key factor in these<br>
> kinds of tasks?<br>
><br>
> I'm fairly new to HOT (and love the initiative!) and pretty sure<br>
> there's a reasonably explanation.<br>
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 15:31:53 +0100<br>
From: Jean-Guilhem Cailton <<a href="mailto:jg_cailton@volunteers.cartong.org">jg_cailton@volunteers.cartong.org</a>><br>
To: Andrew Buck <<a href="mailto:andrew.r.buck@gmail.com">andrew.r.buck@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: osm-ph <<a href="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a>>, HOT <<a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress - suggestions for<br>
wider areas<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:527F98D9.6060004@volunteers.cartong.org">527F98D9.6060004@volunteers.cartong.org</a>><br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
Here is a map of typhoon eye track, created by Pierre Lorioux of<br>
CartONG, currently intern at ICRC :<br>
<a href="http://54.201.17.178/cartong/Haiyan/Haiyan_Philippines_10112013_CartONG.pdf" target="_blank">http://54.201.17.178/cartong/Haiyan/Haiyan_Philippines_10112013_CartONG.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Andrej Verity of OCHA wrote:<br>
"It is a great (simple) map that would help me target my thinking &<br>
planning!"<br>
and is going to have it posted on the HumanitarianResponse.info website,<br>
and linked from the Virtual OSOCC (where UNDAC coordinates).<br>
<br>
Maybe it could also help plan OSM mapping?<br>
<br>
(Of course, the severely affected areas are much broader than the<br>
highlighted strip).<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Jean-Guilhem<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 23:03:36 +0800<br>
From: maning sambale <<a href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Jean-Guilhem Cailton <<a href="mailto:jg_cailton@volunteers.cartong.org">jg_cailton@volunteers.cartong.org</a>><br>
Cc: osm-ph <<a href="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a>>, HOT <<a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress - suggestions for<br>
wider areas<br>
Message-ID:<br>
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On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton<br>
<<a href="mailto:jg_cailton@volunteers.cartong.org">jg_cailton@volunteers.cartong.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Here is a map of typhoon eye track, created by Pierre Lorioux of<br>
> CartONG, currently intern at ICRC :<br>
> <a href="http://54.201.17.178/cartong/Haiyan/Haiyan_Philippines_10112013_CartONG.pdf" target="_blank">http://54.201.17.178/cartong/Haiyan/Haiyan_Philippines_10112013_CartONG.pdf</a><br>
<br>
This map seems to correspond to the reported damages by local media,<br>
although many areas are still inaccessible.<br>
Reports from local media is slowly coming in and it is not very good<br>
news. Some reports estimates the death toll to exceed 10K.<br>
<br>
While Haiyan/Yolanda is now out of the Philippines, there is new low<br>
pressure brewing in the Pacific [0] which could exacerbate the<br>
situation in many affected areas.<br>
<br>
Right now, the Department of Social Welfare and Development (DSWD) the<br>
major government agency organizing the relief is using OSM as the<br>
basemap for its Disaster Situation Map [1].<br>
<br>
Please continue working on the current tasks, we will create new tasks<br>
as we get additional request from local responders.<br>
IMO, priorities should focus on:<br>
- access - roads and bridges<br>
- presence of settlements - landuse=residential should be sufficient<br>
<br>
[0] <a href="http://openweathermap.org/Maps?zoom=5&lat=11.54473&lon=122.4209&layers=B0FFTFTT" target="_blank">http://openweathermap.org/Maps?zoom=5&lat=11.54473&lon=122.4209&layers=B0FFTFTT</a><br>
[1] <a href="http://disaster.dswd.gov.ph/maps.php" target="_blank">http://disaster.dswd.gov.ph/maps.php</a><br>
<br>
PS. I went to Tacloban just this year to talk about FOSS4G and OSM for<br>
DRR. My visit in some ways, sparked the interest of local NGOs, GIS<br>
users and government employees to start contributing to OSM. These<br>
are the areas you may have noticed to be well-mapped road-wise. Some<br>
of these mappers live in the mostly devastated areas. I tried to<br>
contact a few but haven't heard from any of them since the Yolanda<br>
made landfall in Tacloban. Still hoping they are safe.<br>
<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 09:50:23 -0600<br>
From: Andrew Buck <<a href="mailto:andrew.r.buck@gmail.com">andrew.r.buck@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: hot <<a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
Subject: [HOT] Tagging scheme for damaged buildings<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:527FAB3F.2060201@gmail.com">527FAB3F.2060201@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Hello again HOTties.<br>
<br>
So far we have been tracing very large numbers of buildings in the<br>
affected areas. All of the tracing at this point though has been done<br>
through 'pre-disaster' imagery. It is possible that over the next few<br>
days post disaster imagery showing damaged buildings will become<br>
available.<br>
<br>
If we do get access to this kind of imagery, it would be good to<br>
already have a tagging scheme in place for marking damaged, destroyed,<br>
or undamaged buildings. This would allow us to very quickly go<br>
through the buildings we have traced and assign each one a tag based<br>
on its conditon.<br>
<br>
I would like to know if such a tagging scheme already exists and if it<br>
is documented somewhere. If such a scheme does not exist then we<br>
should look into trying to come up with something to do so.<br>
<br>
Also, it would be good to try to show this damage info on the HDM map<br>
rendering if that is possible.<br>
<br>
- -AndrewBuck<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 09:42:57 -0700<br>
From: <a href="mailto:russdeffner@gmail.com">russdeffner@gmail.com</a><br>
To: Andrew Buck <<a href="mailto:andrew.r.buck@gmail.com">andrew.r.buck@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: hot <<a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [HOT] Tagging scheme for damaged buildings<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4B3FD2F3-9EAA-465D-A23F-198396C3527D@gmail.com">4B3FD2F3-9EAA-465D-A23F-198396C3527D@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Andrew,<br>
Not much documentation - but during the CO fires we used building=damaged/destroyed. Would be happy to help make something more official.<br>
=Russ<br>
<br>
<br>
> On Nov 10, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Andrew Buck <<a href="mailto:andrew.r.buck@gmail.com">andrew.r.buck@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
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> Hello again HOTties.<br>
><br>
> So far we have been tracing very large numbers of buildings in the<br>
> affected areas. All of the tracing at this point though has been done<br>
> through 'pre-disaster' imagery. It is possible that over the next few<br>
> days post disaster imagery showing damaged buildings will become<br>
> available.<br>
><br>
> If we do get access to this kind of imagery, it would be good to<br>
> already have a tagging scheme in place for marking damaged, destroyed,<br>
> or undamaged buildings. This would allow us to very quickly go<br>
> through the buildings we have traced and assign each one a tag based<br>
> on its conditon.<br>
><br>
> I would like to know if such a tagging scheme already exists and if it<br>
> is documented somewhere. If such a scheme does not exist then we<br>
> should look into trying to come up with something to do so.<br>
><br>
> Also, it would be good to try to show this damage info on the HDM map<br>
> rendering if that is possible.<br>
><br>
> - -AndrewBuck<br>
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 16:52:53 +0000 (GMT)<br>
From: Martine Leo <<a href="mailto:leo.martine@yahoo.fr">leo.martine@yahoo.fr</a>><br>
To: "<a href="mailto:russdeffner@gmail.com">russdeffner@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:russdeffner@gmail.com">russdeffner@gmail.com</a>>, Andrew Buck<br>
<<a href="mailto:andrew.r.buck@gmail.com">andrew.r.buck@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: hot <<a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [HOT] Tagging scheme for damaged buildings<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
You may find something interesting on TagInfo<br>
<br>
damage_status seems to be the most used. (Values: intact, damaged)<br>
?<br>
Hope this helps<br>
<br>
<br>
- L?o<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Le Dimanche 10 novembre 2013 17h43, "<a href="mailto:russdeffner@gmail.com">russdeffner@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:russdeffner@gmail.com">russdeffner@gmail.com</a>> a ?crit :<br>
<br>
Andrew,<br>
Not much documentation - but during the CO fires we used building=damaged/destroyed.? Would be happy to help make something more official.<br>
=Russ<br>
<br>
<br>
> On Nov 10, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Andrew Buck <<a href="mailto:andrew.r.buck@gmail.com">andrew.r.buck@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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> Hello again HOTties.<br>
><br>
> So far we have been tracing very large numbers of buildings in the<br>
> affected areas.? All of the tracing at this point though has been done<br>
> through 'pre-disaster' imagery.? It is possible that over the next few<br>
> days post disaster imagery showing damaged buildings will become<br>
> available.<br>
><br>
> If we do get access to this kind of imagery, it would be good to<br>
> already have a tagging scheme in place for marking damaged, destroyed,<br>
> or undamaged buildings.? This would allow us to very quickly go<br>
> through the buildings we have traced and assign each one a tag based<br>
> on its conditon.<br>
><br>
> I would like to know if such a tagging scheme already exists and if it<br>
> is documented somewhere.? If such a scheme does not exist then we<br>
> should look into trying to come up with something to do so.<br>
><br>
> Also, it would be good to try to show this damage info on the HDM map<br>
> rendering if that is possible.<br>
><br>
> - -AndrewBuck<br>
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