<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, linéale;font-size:10pt"><div id="yiv5167397680"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande,;font-size:10pt;"><div id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_10"><span id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_17">Discutions is going to be tricky: in the beginning, tagging question was about 'level of damage' and not about 'howto tag a damaged item or area'.</span></div><div id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_10"><span id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_17">So, once again, Rafael has found the best way to it:</span></div><div id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_10"><span id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_17">Keep it simple and keep the only still existant tag with the value of 'limited/extensive'
instead of 'yes/no'.</span></div><div id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_10">No additionnal tag seems to be required.</div><div id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_10"><span id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_17"><br></span></div><div id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_10"><span id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_17">Best regards</span></div><div id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_10"><span id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_17"><br></span></div><div class="yiv5167397680yqt7261308570" id="yiv5167397680yqt79691"><div class="yiv5167397680yahoo_quoted" id="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_6_1384865433729_12" style="display: block; "> <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <div class="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_1_1384865433729_4089" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande,;font-size:10pt;"> <div class="yiv5167397680yui_3_13_0_1_1384865433729_4090"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande,;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> Le mardi 19 novembre 2013 7h18, Rafael Avila Coya <ravilacoya@gmail.com> a écrit :<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv5167397680y_msg_container">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br clear="none">Hash:
SHA1<br clear="none"><br clear="none">In any case, I wouldn't change the tag scheme for this typhoon, as it<br clear="none">would introduce inconsistency in the database.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">But for the future, I would go for a tagging like this:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">typhoon_Haiyan:xxx=xxx or typhoon_Haiyan2013:xxx=xxx<br clear="none">earthquake_Haiti2010:xxx=xxx<br clear="none">tsunami_Japan2011:xxx=xxx<br clear="none"><br clear="none">And so on.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Cheers,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Rafael.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 19/11/13 12:34, Bruno Remy wrote:<br clear="none">> I agrre with raphael:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> typhoon:damage=limited typhoon:damage=moderate <br clear="none">> typhoon:damage=extensive<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> cheers<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Le mardi 19 novembre
2013 5h04, Stéphane Henriod <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:s@henriod.info" target="_blank" href="mailto:s@henriod.info">s@henriod.info</a>> a<br clear="none">> écrit : +1 for typhoon_Haiyan:damage<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> -- "Le mot progrès n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants <br clear="none">> malheureux" -- Albert Einstein<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be<br clear="none">> reason enough in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a<br clear="none">> journey, yet soon it is the journey that makes or unmakes you." --<br clear="none">> Nicolas Bouvier<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.henriod.info/">http://www.henriod.info </a><br clear="none">> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="http://www.henriod.info/">http://www.henriod.info/</a>><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Rafael Avila Coya <br clear="none">> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com">ravilacoya@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com">ravilacoya@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Hi,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> typhoon_2013:damage=xxx could improve the situation, but you would <br clear="none">> still have tag garbage if you don't update/delete those tags after<br clear="none">> the buildings are repaired.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> In any case, typhoon_2013:damage could be deleted after a certain<br clear="none">> time with a
bot.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I would suggest
typhoon_Haiyan:damage instead, as there can be<br clear="none">> more than one typhoon in 2013, though.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Cheers,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Rafael.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On 19/11/13 10:06, Stéphane Henriod wrote:<br clear="none">>> Hi<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> the only concern I have with<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> typhoon:damage=limited typhoon:damage=moderate <br clear="none">>> typhoon:damage=extensive<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> is the tracking over time: how will we deal with this tag when<br clear="none">>> the next typhoon hits? We cannot assume that every single<br clear="none">>> building will be updated once rebuilt (typhoon:damage=none,<br clear="none">>> e.g.). So we might end up with an inconsistent database over<br clear="none">>> time...<br clear="none">> <br
clear="none">>> what about something in the line of typhoon_2013:damage=xxx ?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> Cheers<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> Stéphane<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> -- "Le mot progrès n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des<br clear="none">>> enfants malheureux" -- Albert Einstein<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be <br clear="none">>> reason enough in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a <br clear="none">>> journey, yet soon it is the journey that makes or unmakes you."<br clear="none">>> -- Nicolas Bouvier<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.henriod.info/">http://www.henriod.info</a><br clear="none">> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="http://www.henriod.info/">http://www.henriod.info/</a>><br clear="none">>> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.henriod.info/">http://www.henriod.info/</a>><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Rafael Avila Coya <br clear="none">>> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com">ravilacoya@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com">ravilacoya@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none">> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com">ravilacoya@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com">ravilacoya@gmail.com</a>>>><br clear="none">> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> Hi,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> I was merging some of the impassable roads into OSM yesterday.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> The first atribute is not useless; it's just an abbreviation of <br clear="none">>> the second.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> I was tagging "source=US NGA", but your suggestion it's ok too.<br clear="none">>> I could just change it, no problem.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> For the damage intensity, why not to use the typhoon:damage one, <br clear="none">>> that we already have? Like this:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> typhoon:damage=limited typhoon:damage=moderate <br clear="none">>> typhoon:damage=extensive<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> Cheers,<br
clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> Rafael.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> On 19/11/13 04:13, Bruno Remy wrote:<br clear="none">>>> Hi,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> NGA Files contains some attributs that we do not use in OSM <br clear="none">>>> Database. Exemple: "Damage_"="LD" "Damage_Ext"="LIMITED" or <br clear="none">>>> "MODERATE" "Production"="11/17/2013"<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> The first one is useless, so we can ignore it for importation. <br clear="none">>>> The third one can be changed to " source"="NGA Damage<br clear="none">>>> assessment report-11/17/2013"<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> But the 'Damage_Ext' provides some accurate information about <br clear="none">>>> the intensity of damage (limited/moderate/extensive) and<br clear="none">>>> should be strategic to give some priority
for humanitarian<br clear="none">>>> help (healthcare) or reconstruction help (ingenneers,<br clear="none">>>> construction, etc...)<br clear="none">>
<br clear="none">>>> So : should we keep or not these tags, and if so, witch tags <br clear="none">>>> should be appropriate?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Suggestion : "NGA:damage_intensity"="limited"<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Regards,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Bruno<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Le lundi 18 novembre 2013 12h08, Vivien Deparday <br clear="none">>>> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com">vivien.deparday@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com">vivien.deparday@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none">> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com">vivien.deparday@gmail.com</a><br clear="none">> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com">vivien.deparday@gmail.com</a>>>> a<br clear="none">>> écrit : Hi all, a bit of feedback on<br clear="none">>>> this instruction for road damage assessment that are on the <br clear="none">>>> tasks, I think they could be clarified a bit:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> - while reviewing a post disaster task (350), I have found a <br clear="none">>>> road duplicate that had been created just to mark the damage<br clear="none">>>> on it instead of marking the existing pre-disaster road. This<br clear="none">>>> is currently not very clear in the workflow description, it<br
clear="none">>>> says 'Please make a segment covering the damages and mark it' .<br clear="none">>>> The 'make' could mean create a new road or it could mean split<br clear="none">>>> the existing one to mark only the affected part of the roads.<br clear="none">>>> I suppose it is the latter but it could be made a bit clearer<br clear="none">>>> like it is written in capital for the buildings.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> - Also, it is not very clear how the road obstacle and the <br clear="none">>>> impassable section should be marked and related to each other. <br clear="none">>>> Do you mark the whole road as impassable from one road block<br clear="none">>>> to the other but then you do really need to mark the road<br clear="none">>>> blocks themselves? I suppose it would still be useful to mark<br clear="none">>>> them if they are road
blocks that are in the middle of an<br clear="none">>>> impassable section because
then one can know how many debris<br clear="none">>>> have to be removed. If there is a section of road between two<br clear="none">>>> road blocks that had no debris, should it be marked passable or<br clear="none">>>> impassable (since you cannot get to it), etc...? It seems like<br clear="none">>>> all the road blocks should be added to the existing roads as<br clear="none">>>> new nodes belonging to the road and marked as barrier, and also<br clear="none">>>> each segment between the road blocks should be marked as<br clear="none">>>> impassable? It seems like that shouldn't mess the database?<br clear="none">>>> Anyone with more experience on that?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Once there is agreement, it should be described clearly on the <br clear="none">>>> workflow tab, maybe with a link to a wikipage with more<br clear="none">>>>
details.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> I just had a look at the shapefile from NGA and they are only <br clear="none">>>> road segment marked as impassable.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Cheers,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Vivien GFDRR Labs<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Pierre Béland <br clear="none">>>> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>><br clear="none">>> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow"
shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>>><br clear="none">>>> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>><br clear="none">> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>>>>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Hi all,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> The tags to be used for tagging roads are described in the <br
clear="none">>>> Workflow panel of Task Manager job <br clear="none">>>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/350">http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/350</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> If any
questions, dont hesitate to contact us or come discuss<br clear="none">>>> on the #HOT Irc.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Thanks to all,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Pierre<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list <br clear="none">>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a>><br clear="none">> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
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