<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Thanks Rafael,<br><br>Yes, this is important to avoid inconsistencies with this. Using a simple tag schema, it is eaysy later to manage this data appropriately.<br><div><span><br></span></div><div> </div><div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;">Pierre <br></span><br></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Rafael Avila Coya <ravilacoya@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> Pierre Béland
<pierzenh@yahoo.fr> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc :</span></b> Bruno Remy <bruno.remy@ymail.com>; Stéphane Henriod <s@henriod.info>; "HOT@openstreetmap.org" <hot@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mardi 19 novembre 2013 12h05<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [HOT] NGA Damage assessment report<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>Hi Pierre:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I am merging all the impassable roads info provided by the US NGA. I am<br clear="none">almost finished.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I am using only status=impassable + typhoon:damage=yes tags that we have<br clear="none">in the workflow of job 350 of the task manager, plus "source=NGA Damage<br clear="none">assessment report-11/17/2013" as suggested by Bruno Remy, in order not<br clear="none">to have any inconsistency with the rest of
jobs.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Cheers,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Rafael.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 19/11/13 17:55, Pierre Béland wrote:<br clear="none">> I just want to say that is is important to work in a coordinated fashion<br clear="none">> for this Activation. The proposals should be discussed with the<br clear="none">> Coordination team. Once you have looked at some propositions, we can<br clear="none">> discus this on the #hot IRC or on the Mumble talk.hotosm.org server.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Various products use OSM data to produce printed maps. Routing Appl.<br clear="none">> such as OSMR expect specific Tags to indicate road blocages. So we need<br clear="none">> to have a coordinated approach for this.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> For the contributors, when editing, you should follow instructions in<br clear="none">> the various Task Manager workflow. In this
section of the Task Manager<br clear="none">> Job, we provide tags to use.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Any agreement coming out of these discussions will be reflected in the<br clear="none">> Task Manager jobs.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Thanks for looking at this anyway.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Pierre<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br clear="none">> *De :* Bruno Remy <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bruno.remy@ymail.com" href="mailto:bruno.remy@ymail.com">bruno.remy@ymail.com</a>><br clear="none">> *À :* Stéphane Henriod <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:s@henriod.info" href="mailto:s@henriod.info">s@henriod.info</a>>; Rafael Avila Coya<br clear="none">> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com" href="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com">ravilacoya@gmail.com</a>><br
clear="none">> *Cc :* "<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a>" <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>><br clear="none">> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 19 novembre 2013 6h34<br clear="none">> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] NGA Damage assessment report<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I agrre with raphael:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> typhoon:damage=limited<br clear="none">> typhoon:damage=moderate<br clear="none">> typhoon:damage=extensive<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> cheers<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Le mardi 19 novembre 2013 5h04, Stéphane Henriod <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:s@henriod.info" href="mailto:s@henriod.info">s@henriod.info</a>> a écrit :<br clear="none">> +1 for
typhoon_Haiyan:damage<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> --<br clear="none">> "Le mot progrès n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants<br clear="none">> malheureux" -- Albert Einstein<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be reason<br clear="none">> enough in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a journey, yet<br clear="none">> soon it is the journey that makes or unmakes you." -- Nicolas Bouvier<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: <a shape="rect" href="http://www.henriod.info/" target="_blank">http://www.henriod.info</a><br clear="none">> <<a shape="rect" href="http://www.henriod.info/" target="_blank">http://www.henriod.info/</a>> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Rafael Avila Coya<br clear="none">> <<a shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com" href="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com">ravilacoya@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com" href="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com">ravilacoya@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Hi,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> typhoon_2013:damage=xxx could improve the situation, but you would<br clear="none">> still have tag garbage if you don't update/delete those tags after the<br clear="none">> buildings are repaired.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> In any case, typhoon_2013:damage could be deleted after a certain time<br clear="none">> with a bot.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I would suggest typhoon_Haiyan:damage instead, as there can be more<br clear="none">> than one typhoon in 2013, though.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Cheers,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Rafael.<br clear="none">>
<br clear="none">> On 19/11/13 10:06, Stéphane Henriod wrote:<br clear="none">>> Hi<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> the only concern I have with<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> typhoon:damage=limited typhoon:damage=moderate<br clear="none">>> typhoon:damage=extensive<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> is the tracking over time: how will we deal with this tag when the<br clear="none">>> next typhoon hits? We cannot assume that every single building will<br clear="none">>> be updated once rebuilt (typhoon:damage=none, e.g.). So we might<br clear="none">>> end up with an inconsistent database over time...<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> what about something in the line of typhoon_2013:damage=xxx ?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> Cheers<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> Stéphane<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> -- "Le mot
progrès n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants<br clear="none">>> malheureux" -- Albert Einstein<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be<br clear="none">>> reason enough in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a<br clear="none">>> journey, yet soon it is the journey that makes or unmakes you." --<br clear="none">>> Nicolas Bouvier<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: <a shape="rect" href="http://www.henriod.info/" target="_blank">http://www.henriod.info</a><br clear="none">> <<a shape="rect" href="http://www.henriod.info/" target="_blank">http://www.henriod.info/</a>><br clear="none">>> <<a shape="rect" href="http://www.henriod.info/" target="_blank">http://www.henriod.info/</a>><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at
9:50 AM, Rafael Avila Coya<br clear="none">>> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com" href="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com">ravilacoya@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com" href="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com">ravilacoya@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com" href="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com">ravilacoya@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com" href="mailto:ravilacoya@gmail.com">ravilacoya@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> Hi,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> I was merging some of the impassable roads into OSM yesterday.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> The first atribute is not useless; it's just an abbreviation of<br clear="none">>> the second.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> I was tagging
"source=US NGA", but your suggestion it's ok too. I<br clear="none">>> could just change it, no problem.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> For the damage intensity, why not to use the typhoon:damage one,<br clear="none">>> that we already have? Like this:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> typhoon:damage=limited typhoon:damage=moderate<br clear="none">>> typhoon:damage=extensive<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> Cheers,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> Rafael.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> On 19/11/13 04:13, Bruno Remy wrote:<br clear="none">>>> Hi,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> NGA Files contains some attributs that we do not use in OSM<br clear="none">>>> Database. Exemple: "Damage_"="LD" "Damage_Ext"="LIMITED" or<br clear="none">>>> "MODERATE" "Production"="11/17/2013"<br clear="none">> <br
clear="none">>>> The first one is useless, so we can ignore it for importation.<br clear="none">>>> The third one can be changed to " source"="NGA Damage assessment<br clear="none">>>> report-11/17/2013"<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> But the 'Damage_Ext' provides some accurate information about<br clear="none">>>> the intensity of damage (limited/moderate/extensive) and should<br clear="none">>>> be strategic to give some priority for humanitarian help<br clear="none">>>> (healthcare) or reconstruction help (ingenneers, construction,<br clear="none">>>> etc...)<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> So : should we keep or not these tags, and if so, witch tags<br clear="none">>>> should be appropriate?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Suggestion : "NGA:damage_intensity"="limited"<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>>
Regards,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Bruno<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Le lundi 18 novembre 2013 12h08, Vivien Deparday<br clear="none">>>> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com" href="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com">vivien.deparday@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com" href="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com">vivien.deparday@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com" href="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com">vivien.deparday@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com" href="mailto:vivien.deparday@gmail.com">vivien.deparday@gmail.com</a>>>> a<br clear="none">>> écrit : Hi all, a bit of feedback on<br clear="none">>>> this instruction for
road damage assessment that are on the<br clear="none">>>> tasks, I think they could be clarified a bit:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> - while reviewing a post disaster task (350), I have found a<br clear="none">>>> road duplicate that had been created just to mark the damage on<br clear="none">>>> it instead of marking the existing pre-disaster road. This is<br clear="none">>>> currently not very clear in the workflow description, it says<br clear="none">>>> 'Please make a segment covering the damages and mark it' . The<br clear="none">>>> 'make' could mean create a new road or it could mean split the<br clear="none">>>> existing one to mark only the affected part of the roads. I<br clear="none">>>> suppose it is the latter but it could be made a bit clearer like<br clear="none">>>> it is written in capital for the buildings.<br clear="none">> <br
clear="none">>>> - Also, it is not very clear how the road obstacle and the<br clear="none">>>> impassable section should be marked and related to each other.<br clear="none">>>> Do you mark the whole road as impassable from one road block to<br clear="none">>>> the other but then you do really need to mark the road blocks<br clear="none">>>> themselves? I suppose it would still be useful to mark them if<br clear="none">>>> they are road blocks that are in the middle of an impassable<br clear="none">>>> section because then one can know how many debris have to be<br clear="none">>>> removed. If there is a section of road between two road blocks<br clear="none">>>> that had no debris, should it be marked passable or impassable<br clear="none">>>> (since you cannot get to it), etc...? It seems like all the road<br clear="none">>>> blocks should be added to
the existing roads as new nodes<br clear="none">>>> belonging to the road and marked as barrier, and also each<br clear="none">>>> segment between the road blocks should be marked as impassable?<br clear="none">>>> It seems like that shouldn't mess the database? Anyone with more<br clear="none">>>> experience on that?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Once there is agreement, it should be described clearly on the<br clear="none">>>> workflow tab, maybe with a link to a wikipage with more details.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> I just had a look at the shapefile from NGA and they are only<br clear="none">>>> road segment marked as impassable.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Cheers,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Vivien GFDRR Labs<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at
10:33 AM, Pierre Béland<br clear="none">>>> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>><br clear="none">>> <mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>>><br clear="none">>>> <mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>><br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a> <mailto:<a
shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>>>>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Hi all,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> The tags to be used for tagging roads are described in the<br clear="none">>>> Workflow panel of Task Manager job<br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" href="http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/350" target="_blank">http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/350</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> If any questions, dont hesitate to contact us or come discuss on<br clear="none">>>> the #HOT Irc.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Thanks to all,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> Pierre<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list<br clear="none">>> <a
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