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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
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Thanks for your work on this - I like the interface, in
particular the ability to see which squares you have worked on,
& to be able to select them again - particularly helpful if
you realise you've been doing something slightly wrong (I'm sure
we've all been there!) & you want to go back & correct it
on all the instances involved.<br>
Splitting squares - I do it frequently, based upon how long I
am likely to be able to map without interruptions. I prefer not to
leave a square for someone else to finish off, and my life can
have frequent interruptions. My workflow now consists of - select
a square, quick look & if there are sufficient features to
mean it will take me more than 20 minutes to complete, then split
it. There's a very good chance I will manage to do 3/4 of a whole
square without an interruption, and I feel better if I've left 3
smaller squares as complete so that a following mapper just has a
'blank' square to work on.<br>
.gpx traces & waypoints, and further information. This
probably exists somewhere, but I just haven't found it yet, but is
there some system for dealing with someone on the ground uploading
actual waypoints as opposed to simple gpx traces. When you upload
a gpx trace to OSM it strips away any waypoints you may have
created. OSMTracker, most gps's & other software can produce
excellent information for adding to the maps, such as type of way
- primary/secondary/tertiary/unclassified/path etc., waypoints for
the exact location of drinking water taps, wells, & road
blocks.<br>
I'd like to see the squares of a task identified individually
such as C:8, similar method to squares on a chess board, and I'd
like to be able to see the date the square was marked as complete,
and date of validation. <br>
If I use Bangui , job 72, as an example, as the distinctions are
more obvious, but a similar problem must have occurred with
Yolanda as different versions of imagery became available . Since
work first started on this task, the Bing imagery has been
updated. Some squares have been mapped & validated using one
version of Bing, and some with a more recent. If the date
information was available, it may be easier & for whoever is
validating to mark all squares completed before a certain date for
remapping. <br>
<br>
Validation<br>
We may be better going for a different thread on this until
there is some kind of consensus on what is needed. I have my own
views. Comments in emails indicate there are more and more mappers
getting involved in HOT, and I would like to see us developing our
skills so we become more useful to you. <br>
I'd like to see the stage reached whereby a large number of
mappers for HOT are 'accredited' as validators, and only they are
able to validate. It may be that they work as mappers most of the
time, and only rarely validate. When there is a large scale
activation, such as the Typhoon Haiyan, a message could be sent
out to all on the HOT mailing list asking that all accredited
validators assist in validating the efforts of the influx of other
mappers. I'd like to aim for an area being mapped, and then
validated very soon afterwards, with feedback given to the mapper
involved.<br>
If there are lots of validators working on a task then you need
some method of seeing what has been validated, and what has not. I
agree that another layer of validation after this, looking at the
'big picture' instead of small squares, is needed to improve the
quality of the map information, but the individual square method
can improve our abilities as mappers. <br>
If someone is validating a square I've worked on, I'd like them
to be able to send me a message something like "Thanks for working
on square C:8 of task 500023. There are a number of islands in the
river of this square, and paths leading to the rivers edge. This
may indicate a crossing, but the islands are not showing on the
map. If you use relation 18323231, it is possible to draw round
the islands, tag them as 'place-island', and add them to the
relation - more information on this is available at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon</a>. Would
you prefer to add these islands yourself so you get the practice,
or should I mark the square for further work by another. If I hear
nothing from you by 01/01/2014 I will mark the square for further
action by another. etc.."<br>
<br>
Thanks for reading<br>
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On 04/02/14 08:13, Theodin wrote:<br>
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Another idea:<br>
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Maybe we could dothe process like Kort (OSM gamification <a
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) does it. There, several people must check a certain thing and
after three sucessfull checks it gets accepted into OSM. That
would be like a 2-step validation:<br>
first other mappers validate a tile 2-3 times<br>
second an experienced mapper validates it again blocks it and
marks it as done.<br>
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But maybe this process is too much work.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Theodin<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.02.2014 00:38, schrieb Severin
MENARD:<br>
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Pierre<br>
<br>
Thanks for the update, great to hear about the progress
and new UI features.?<br>
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So I'm clear, you're talking about merging?<a
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href="https://github.com/pgiraud/osm-tasking-manager/tree/workflowinto?https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager"
target="_blank">https://github.com/pgiraud/osm-tasking-manager/tree/workflow<br>
into?https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager</a><br>
?<br>
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And by v2, are we talking about this version?<br>
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href="https://github.com/pgiraud/osm-tasking-manager2"
target="_blank">https://github.com/pgiraud/osm-tasking-manager2</a><br>
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On validation, I agree it needs a rethink. There is
definitely a need for validation in some form. But I'd
hesitate to remove functionality, the current validation
without replacing it with something else. I suggest we
keep it for now, and move on discussion of what this
should really look like.<br>
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<div>From my experience over the last months I would say
the validation is two-folds:</div>
<div>- by task to review what each contributor did. The
green step would be good ONLY IF IT COULD BE
INVALIDATED. Currently once validated, it cannot be
revert and the task cannot be selected anymore. This is
really a pain as some mappers validate tasks that are
far for being done. I must also confess I validated one
or two tasks by accident myself. Is it not possible to
easily remove this blocking feature and make the
validation reverted if needed?</div>
<div>- over the whole mapped area, to harmonize the
mapping and set a coherent road network. For more
details, refer to the discussion I had on this list with
Nick Allen a few weeks ago. Create a wikipage on this is
still on my todo list.</div>
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<div>Sincerely,</div>
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<div>Severin</div>
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