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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Charlotte,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your thoughts on this. I am passing them on & will
try to act on them myself - I Know that at least one person is
keen to create a satellite imagery interpretation guide, which
should help.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
(Tallguy)<br>
<br>
On 09/09/14 16:53, Charlotte Wolter wrote:<br>
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Nick,<br>
<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>I am not
technically a "new" mapper, having workedon several HOT
projects before, But, in a sense, most of us are new mappers
because the
terrain is new as is the cultural background on what we see. When
I
mapped the Colorado fires, I knew the typical configurations of
roads in
the suburbs I was mapping. That is not true for Liberia or Sierra
Leone.<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>You have
highlighted nicely most of the challenges I have encountered while
doing
this mapping, and I have some suggestions to go along with yours.<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>--The size
of the squares--They need to be smaller. Where there are many
scattered
farms but few towns, there is no way I can complete the square in
two
hours. Worse, it is difficult to keep track of where I am because
I have
to zoom in to be sure that what I am seeing is, indeed, a house.
If the
square were smaller, I could complete it, and I wouldn't become so
disorieted when I zoom in.<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>--We need
some geographical background on the area, such as examples of what
we
might see. For example, one validator corrected an area that I
had,
somewhat dubiously, marked as "residential." He said it was, in
fact, surface mining. If I had known that there might be surface
mining
(blood diamonds?), then I would have looked more critically at the
bare
area with what seemed to be squares.<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>I think
those changes would not require much effort from the HOT people. I
don't
want to burden them. I would, however, like to reduce my
frustration
while working on this effort.<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>I like
your suggestion about small trial squares. It's a good training
system,
but I also think some background on the geography we are looking
at would
be helpful.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Charlotte Wolter<br>
<br>
<br>
At 06:58 AM 9/9/2014, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Hi,<br>
<br>
I think there is a gap between the training available from the
various
sources such as LearnOSM & someone reaching the stage of
feeling
confident to map for HOT. Although we tend to think of new
mappers with
no experience at all, it also extends to mappers who are used to
mapping
their 'own back yard' but are concerned they may not interpret
the aerial
imagery correctly when mapping for HOT. <br>
<br>
I have seen several messages appear on the HOT mailing list
where a 'new
to HOT' mapper has asked where to start. I've also been
contacted by a
number of mappers asking me to check / validate their first
squares in
HOT. Having been involved in training new mappers at mapathons I
have
noticed they are unlikely to finish the current size of squares
within 2
hours & they are also interested in receiving feedback on
their
progress. Recent discussion on this mailing list indicates many
mappers
are interested in feedback, especially in the early stages.<br>
<br>
As a test to see how successful it would be, I'm interested in
having a
project / Task which is marked up as suitable for new mappers.
The
squares should be much smaller in size, such that we anticipate
the new
mapper can complete a square within 15 to 20 minutes. In the
perfect
world that square would then be looked at fairly soon by a
validator who
makes suggestions if they are needed. After completing a few of
these
squares the new mapper should have the confidence to move onto
any of the
other general tasks. As an aside, this need not be a 'new task'
- it
could just as easily be a 'high' which has dropped down the
list, but it
would need adapting with additional instructions, and exisitng
squares
awaiting validation being validated & the outstanding
squares being
split far smaller than normal. It would need to be advertised so
that new
mappers find it - highlighted link from the home page of the
Tasking
Manager?<br>
<br>
I'm willing to validate & offer feedback on such a project /
task,
but ideally several other validators need to be involved. There
are also
times when I am not available.<br>
<br>
These views are my own - it would be good to get the opinions
of;<br>
<br>
a/. New to HOT mappers (we all were once, so everyone's view
appreciated)
- would it have helped with the transition, and<br>
b/. potential validators for such a project / task. - if there
were a few
squares waiting validation (potentially a new mapper waiting for
a
progress report before continuing), would you be willing to help
with the
validation. Because the squares are smaller there will be
problems with
working out highway grades, and an overview approach viewing
several
squares on occasion would be needed.<br>
<br>
I'm intending to present this topic at a Training working group,
but
would like the views of other mappers.<br>
-- <br>
<br>
Nick<br>
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