<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="" class=""><span style="" class="">I am not sure that this construction tag helps us about the status of these houses. The imagery can be a few years old. Also from my experience in Haiti, people build rapidly the first floor and then start to mount walls for the second floor. But this can stay unchanged for years.<br></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light,Helvetica Neue Light,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br style="" class=""><span style="" class=""></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light,Helvetica Neue Light,Helvetica
Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="" class="">UAV Imagery project initated and managed by Fred Moine gives us a good perspective on this for Limonade, north of Haiti. If you look carefully at the houses under construction, you should see the first floor.<br></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light,Helvetica Neue Light,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="" class="">See http://wms.openstreetmap.fr/haiti?zoom=21&lat=19.67059&lon=-72.1243&layers=0B000000<br style="" class=""></span></div><div style="" class=""> <br>The quality of the imagery we have if often not clear enough to establish the status of these houses.<br><br></div><div style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0,
191);font-weight:bold;">Pierre <br style="" class=""></span><br style="" class=""></div> <div class="" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div class="" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="" class="" dir="ltr"> <hr style="" class="" size="1"> <font style="" class="" face="Arial" size="2"> <b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Andrew Buck <andrew.r.buck@gmail.com><br style="" class=""> <b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> Courtland Yockey <ceyockey@comcast.net> <br style="" class=""><b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Cc :</span></b> HOT Openstreetmap <hot@openstreetmap.org> <br style="" class=""> <b style=""
class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Samedi 13 septembre 2014 9h47<br style="" class=""> <b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [HOT] Houses or buildings with no roof in W Africa mapping<br style="" class=""> </font> </div> <div style="" class=""><br style="" class=""><div style="" class="" id="yiv4476760200"><div style="" class=""><div style="" class="" dir="ltr"><div style="" class="">For these I use building=constructuion. I think landuse=construction is for larger areas like a construction site where a large building or parking lot or something is being built. Adding the date is not a bad idea but probably not essential; doesn't hurt to add it though.<br style="" class="" clear="none"><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div>-AndrewBuck<br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><div style="" class=""><br style="" class="" clear="none"><div style=""
class="">On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Courtland Yockey <span style="" class="" dir="ltr"><<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ceyockey@comcast.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:ceyockey@comcast.net">ceyockey@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none"><blockquote class="" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="" class="" id="yiv4476760200yqt45311"><div style="" class=""><div class="" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;"><div style="" class="">When I trace something like this, I use the key-value "landuse=construction". I also am in the habit of annotating traced objects with imagery date on the object, which is more useful for something like this than, for instance, doing so for travelways. --Courtland</div><div style="" class=""><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><hr style="" class=""><div class=""
style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b style="" class="">From: </b>"Nick Allen" <<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nick.allen.54@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:nick.allen.54@gmail.com">nick.allen.54@gmail.com</a>><br style="" class="" clear="none"><b style="" class="">To: </b>"Blake Girardot" <<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com">bgirardot@gmail.com</a>>, <a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a><br style="" class="" clear="none"><b style="" class="">Sent: </b>Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:43:23 AM<br style="" class="" clear="none"><b style="" class="">Subject: </b>Re: [HOT] Houses or
buildings with no roof in W Africa mapping<div style="" class=""><div style="" class=""><br style="" class="" clear="none"><div style="" class=""><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div>
<div style="" class="">Blake,<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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They could be both. When I asked the question a few months ago
concerning similar structures elsewhere in Africa I was told that
it can take a while for something to be built & finished, but
it can also be a case of something has become disused & the
roof removed. In either case, it would be a relatively quick job
for someone to clean it up and add a roof.<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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Something to consider - since the satellite imagery was taken the
structure could have changed - now be complete & with
residents. In some areas corrugated iron is available & a roof
could be added in a few hours. <br style="" class="" clear="none">
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The other option is something like a pig sty - a small building
with a roof for the animal to shelter in with a compound or
compounds attached to it - pigs, goats, etc..<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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I can't see for sure what that particular image is showing -
probably the animal compound but it could just as easily be the
residence in decay or slow construction.<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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The outlines we are tracing today could be unchanged on the map
for many months / years. I try to make sure they will appear in
the data in one format or another because at least someone using
just the map data can look at it and say "There's some kind of
building there" & perhaps another say "That's John's farm,
it's gone now but the road still goes through there" - you need
the local knowledge that we just can't possess.<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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Acceptable options to me all involve the structure being traced
and appear in <a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building</a> .
Whatever it is, it's construction includes barrier=wall which is
also a valid option. I have no wish to offend someone who is
probably a better mapper than me, so I try not to alter tags if
they appear in the wiki, but I will probably do so if they don't
render in Mapnik or Humanitarian style renderings.<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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If it was me doing the tracing I would keep it simple;<br style="" class="" clear="none">
barrier=wall<br style="" class="" clear="none">
or<br style="" class="" clear="none">
building=yes<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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Hope this helps<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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Regards<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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Nick<br style="" class="" clear="none">
(Tallguy)<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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On 13/09/14 05:44, Blake Girardot wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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<blockquote style="" class="">Hi,
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New user supersonic3974 asked this question in irc last night but
didn't get a reply:
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[22:45] <supersonic3974> Hey, quick question. What are
these things that look like buildings under construction? They
seem to be everywhere. Here's an example:
<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://imgur.com/ccS03xv">http://imgur.com/ccS03xv</a>
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I have that same question coincidentally enough.
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They look like buildings with no roof.
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Are they buildings under construction or structures that lost
their roof?
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My guess is we wouldn't outline them since they probably are not
inhabited, but I don't know for sure.
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I'll make sure he gets an answer if someone replies here.
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Cheers,
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Blake
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