<p id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_273187">Hi Nick</p><p id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_273186"><br></p><p dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_273185">As a first step, yes it could be linked. But eventually, would the best be to integrate the content directly into a LearnOsm section? <br></p><p dir="ltr"><br></p><p dir="ltr">As I said before, I think that we should have short sections for each task ie, buildings, roads, etc. The content could also be easily adapted to show side by side ID and JOSM when possible. <br></p><p dir="ltr"><br></p><p dir="ltr">For example, about the buildings, you give examples how to trace buildings, orthogonalize them. Then a step further, you show the Build plugin from JOSM. Then a contributor would be able to compare the features of the two editors.<br></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_273183"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_273182" class="signature"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;">Pierre <br></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_273119" style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_273118" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_273117" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_273627" size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_273120" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Nick Allen <nick.allen.54@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> hot@openstreetmap.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mardi 4 novembre 2014 17h41<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [HOT] unknown structures are buildings?<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_273154" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv6060172751"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_273629">
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_273628" class="yiv6060172751moz-cite-prefix">Would there be any problem linking it
from somewhere in learnosm? I'd be happy to have a check through
for somewhere suitable and do the work.<br clear="none">
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On 04/11/14 22:09, Pierre Béland wrote:<br clear="none">
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<p id="yiv6060172751yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_258787">Hi Blake</p>
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<p dir="ltr" id="yiv6060172751yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_258576">revisiting
your page, it is already quite instructive bringing attention to
various aspects. It is clear and easy to understand.<br clear="none">
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<p dir="ltr" id="yiv6060172751yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_258365">Even if not
yet completed, we could link to this in the Task Manager to help
beginners.<br clear="none">
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Blake Girardot <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6060172751moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com"><bgirardot@gmail.com></a><br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">À :</span></b> Ray
Kiddy <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6060172751moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:ray@ganymede.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:ray@ganymede.org"><ray@ganymede.org></a> <br clear="none">
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<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6060172751moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a> <br clear="none">
<b id="yiv6060172751yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_258789"><span id="yiv6060172751yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_258788" style="font-weight:bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b>
Mardi 4 novembre 2014 16h39<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re:
[HOT] unknown structures are buildings?<br clear="none">
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Hi Ray,<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I think the only reason my mapping tips page hasn't made it
anywhere <br clear="none">
else is because I haven't finished it yet and I was sort of
waiting <br clear="none">
until it got done and was given a final once over by
everyone to make <br clear="none">
sure I am not pointing out anything incorrectly before
sharing it widely <br clear="none">
as a resource. I have most of the data for the remaining
sections so the <br clear="none">
rest should go pretty quickly.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I have been spending most of my time on validating and
trying to help <br clear="none">
with a data import which is almost done and then I can
finish up the <br clear="none">
tips page(s) and get them somewhere easier to find.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
cheers<br clear="none">
Blake<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
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On 11/4/2014 4:27 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote:<br clear="none">
> On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 20:59:57 +0000<br clear="none">
> Michel Gilbert<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:michcasa@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:michcasa@gmail.com">michcasa@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
>> Hi Ian,<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> I found this page:<br clear="none">
>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips</a><br clear="none">
>> that is created by BGirardot that provides good
tips helping to<br clear="none">
>> understand the context for mapping West Africa in
terms of features.<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> As an uninitiated HOT mappers I would need more of
these.<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> Michel<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> It seems an obvious suggestion that a link to the page
above could<br clear="none">
> appear on the page which some of the Instructions are
linking to:<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_West_Africa_Ebola_Response">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_West_Africa_Ebola_Response</a><br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> Obviously BGirardot's brain is not automatically hooked
to all the wiki<br clear="none">
> pages it should be hooked up with, more's the pity. :-)<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> And this whole discussion could tie into the thread on
the list:<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> "Video that Best Represents Our Work?"<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> This thread seems to end up discussing ways to use
video to help teach<br clear="none">
> mappers how to do better mapping.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> This may be a good time for a straw-man
catalog/training tool to appear<br clear="none">
> on the wiki.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> - ray<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
>> On Tue Nov 04 2014 at 1:27:33 PM<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:thatwoodb@hushmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thatwoodb@hushmail.com">thatwoodb@hushmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> I agree wholeheartedly with Ray. It would be
very helpful to have a<br clear="none">
>>> page of examples of W. Africa satellite imagery
showing, 1)<br clear="none">
>>> buildings that are often overlooked by mappers,
especially the less<br clear="none">
>>> experienced ones, because they may not look
like buildings to the<br clear="none">
>>> uninitiated, and; 2) things that are often
mistaken for buildings,<br clear="none">
>>> but aren't. This catalog could be even more
useful if further<br clear="none">
>>> broken down by areas/countries whose structures
differ somewhat, as<br clear="none">
>>> well as by typical rural vs urban structures.<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> If s/he has neither visited these countries nor
studied their<br clear="none">
>>> cultures, a mapper's working at a distinct
disadvantage without<br clear="none">
>>> such examples. I've spent some time looking at
photos online of<br clear="none">
>>> traditional buildings in this part of the world
to try to improve<br clear="none">
>>> my mapping, but these shots are taken from
ground level, of course.<br clear="none">
>>> And as Ray points out, it's a completely
different experience when<br clear="none">
>>> viewing them from a satellite's POV.<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> -Ian<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> On 11/4/2014 at 3:03 AM, "Ray Kiddy"<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ray@ganymede.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:ray@ganymede.org">ray@ganymede.org</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:51:54 +0100<br clear="none">
>>> Claire Halleux<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:claire.halleux@hotosm.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:claire.halleux@hotosm.org">claire.halleux@hotosm.org</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Hi Ray,<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> For cassava, you could add something on the
following page I<br clear="none">
>>>> guess:<br clear="none">
>>>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:crop%3Dcassava">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:crop%3Dcassava</a><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> If you intend to use a screenshot of
imagery, make sure you keep<br clear="none">
>>>> the copyright visible. We got permissions
to do so from MapBox,<br clear="none">
>>>> HIU and Bing, for training purposes.<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Cheers<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Claire<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> I am not explaining myself well. The page you
are pointing to has a<br clear="none">
>>> picture of casava taken from the ground. This
does not help me<br clear="none">
>>> identify anything if I am looking at casava in
a photo taken from a<br clear="none">
>>> satellite.<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> How does one recognize a mound of casava in
Liberia? Or a yurt in<br clear="none">
>>> Mongolia? Or a well in Pakinstan? From
satellite imagery? Does a<br clear="none">
>>> well in Pakistan look like well in Montana?
Probably not. So, when<br clear="none">
>>> one has no experience with an area of the
world, how can one<br clear="none">
>>> identify its structures? One way is to look at
a bunch of satellite<br clear="none">
>>> imagery and keep asking questions, over and
over. Or, perhaps<br clear="none">
>>> pictures of differently shaped structures can
be pulled out which<br clear="none">
>>> identifies different structures and describes
where they appear.<br clear="none">
>>> Like a catalog.<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> So, is there some catalog of satellite imagery
that will show what<br clear="none">
>>> things look like in various places, for
training purposes? Or would<br clear="none">
>>> there be suggestions on how to create one and
where it could be?<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> thanx - ray<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Ray
Kiddy<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ray@ganymede.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:ray@ganymede.org">ray@ganymede.org</a>><br clear="none">
>>>> wrote:<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:16:50 +0800<br clear="none">
>>>>> maning sambale<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>> To me, it looks like
building=construction (the dividing<br clear="none">
>>>>>> walls are visible). Nearly the same
as what I've seen on the<br clear="none">
>>>>>> ground in Malawi, Africa.<br clear="none">
>>>>>> If you're unsure, just tag it as
building=yes.<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> Is there a place on a wiki to place
pictures that can be<br clear="none">
>>>>> examined to learn to recognize some of
the local structures? A<br clear="none">
>>>>> catalog that shows how different things
appear in different<br clear="none">
>>>>> places?<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> I have had similar questions. I had a
pic and the round<br clear="none">
>>>>> honeycomb looking things were
identified as casava plants<br clear="none">
>>>>> growing in bunches in Liberia. Is there
a logical place on one<br clear="none">
>>>>> of the wikis, a sort of image catalog,
where I could add this<br clear="none">
>>>>> pic and mark it with "Casava plant,
Liberia, resolution of<br clear="none">
>>>>> image = x"?<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> I was editing in "#479 Tharparkar
Drought, Sindh, Pakistan", and<br clear="none">
>>>>> some of this stuff could have been on
the moon. I just have no<br clear="none">
>>>>> context to figure out the shapes of
houses, what wells look like<br clear="none">
>>>>> (just like houses?) and so on.<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> A catalog of the structure types one
might find in, for<br clear="none">
>>>>> example, the deserts of Pakistan might
be helpful.<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> We could me mapping in Mongolia and I
am also not going to know<br clear="none">
>>>>> what a yurt looks like from above. Same
thing.<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> I went to the wiki and did a search,
for example, on Pakistan<br clear="none">
>>>>> and got back, as you might expect, the
page on Pakistan. This<br clear="none">
>>>>> page does not show me, however, how the
different types of<br clear="none">
>>>>> houses there may appear in imagery.<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> I can, of course, start something, and
will. I just wanted to<br clear="none">
>>>>> see if there are suggestions from you
all first.<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> thanx - ray<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:41 AM,
Warren Roberts<br clear="none">
>>>>>> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gisteacher@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gisteacher@gmail.com">gisteacher@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>>> Does anyone have an idea if
these are walls for building<br clear="none">
>>>>>>> (without roof) .. there are
many and in Sierra Leone. Wanted<br clear="none">
>>>>>>> to identify them ether to
digitize them as buildings. Thanks<br clear="none">
>>>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>>> [image: --]<br clear="none">
>>>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>>> Warren Roberts<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
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