<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>Thank you very much for your feedback!</div><div>We really appreciate it.</div><div>I'll keep you posted on our final decision for an editor.</div><div><br></div><div>Willy</div><div><br><br></div><div><br>Op 5 feb. 2015 om 00:07 heeft Pierre Béland <<a href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>> het volgende geschreven:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162559">JOSM is the editor used by the majority of contributors and skilled skilled contributors are more familiar with it. They probably dont know ID very well and this will reduce their capacity to support the new contributors. The objective is not to produce a maximum of edits but to start on good bases, to make people confident they understand the principles and will be able to contribute later while back at home.</div><div><br></div><div>We observe a lot of errors made by the beginners. It would be important also during the day to look back to the edits and suggest corrections, assure that everybody understand the basic principles of the mapping, how to make precise and accurate mapping with the relevant tags.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162558"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162623" dir="ltr">For the software installation, what could simply be done in preparation of Mapathons is to send short instructions for JOSM installation <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162622" dir="ltr">- assure that you have java 7 installed</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162620" dir="ltr">- download JOSM > The url <a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162659" href="https://josm.openstreetmap.de/download/josm.jnlp">https://josm.openstreetmap.de/download/josm.jnlp</a> is recommended for all OS.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162728" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162760" dir="ltr">At the beginning of the session there might be a few contributors that will need support. This should normally be fixed rapidly. Using a projector, it is then possbile to show how to install plugins such as Buildings and UtilsPlugin2 while the skilled contributors support others.</div><br><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162527"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162528" class="signature"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_163001" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;">Pierre <br></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162723" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162722" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162721" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162967" size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162726" size="2" face="Arial"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162725"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423004239472_162724" style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Milo van der Linden <<a href="mailto:milo@dogodigi.net">milo@dogodigi.net</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> Jan van Bekkum <<a href="mailto:jan.vanbekkum@gmail.com">jan.vanbekkum@gmail.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc :</span></b> hot <<a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mercredi 4 février 2015 15h24<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv6346907556"><div><div dir="ltr">Why go through the trouble of installing? People are doing remote tasks and have no gpx files, field papers or geotagged photos. Because then I would certainly advise josm.</div>
<div dir="ltr">I think time is valuable. If you have 10 computers and spend 5 minutes per install, you lost an hour of a half day event..</div>
<div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv6346907556yqt0311099517" id="yiv6346907556yqtfd95528"><div class="yiv6346907556gmail_quote">On Feb 4, 2015 8:37 PM, "Jan van Bekkum" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jan.vanbekkum@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jan.vanbekkum@gmail.com">jan.vanbekkum@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv6346907556gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Can't you ask participants to install JOSM before they arrive?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6346907556gmail_quote">On Wed Feb 04 2015 at 8:21:56 PM Jorieke Vyncke <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jorieke.vyncke@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jorieke.vyncke@gmail.com">jorieke.vyncke@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv6346907556gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">Hello Willy, <div><br clear="none"></div><div>Just some of my thoughts: </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>In Antwerp we used JOSM because we had loads of time. It takes maybe a little longer to install JOSM, but teaching and learning how to map is on the same level. You only have more mapping possibilities with JOSM... On the installation, when everybody is arriving at the mapathon and setting up his computer, you can let the participants already install JOSM and make them create a login before the 'real training' starts.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>If you are not sure about the stability of the internet connection it might also be better to use JOSM, because for ID you need all the time a stable internet connection. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Further; are people bringing their own laptops or not? If you are planning to work on fixed computers it might be better to work with ID, because in a lot of universities, companies, etc. there are restrictions in installing JOSM or other software on their computers. So if you plan to work with JOSM on fixed computers it might be good check and to install JOSM already on every computer of the room. If you plan to work with ID, you shouldn't have any problems. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>But one of the main important things is: what is your favourite mapping editor? Because this editor you probably can explain the best. Besides you, as teacher, you also need some 'helpers' who can stand behind the mappers who are trying to follow what you are explaining. In my opinion it's the best to have at least 1 person behind 6 or 7 participants, to guide them in the mapping. So these people also need to master ID or JOSM.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Please inform me about what you decided, so we can share some more advice with you</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>And for the validation, I absolutely follow Dan. :-) </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Groetjes, Jorieke</div></div><div class="yiv6346907556gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6346907556gmail_quote">2015-02-04 9:30 GMT+01:00 Dan S <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:danstowell+osm@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:danstowell+osm@gmail.com">danstowell+osm@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv6346907556gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi,<br clear="none">
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I'd recommend using iD for beginners - and actually, I'd recommend<br clear="none">
using iD if this is your first time organising a mapping party,<br clear="none">
because if you use JOSM you will be submerged in annoying problems<br clear="none">
installing JOSM on people's computers and that's no fun! It can be<br clear="none">
done but it helps to have more experience.<br clear="none">
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For validating, I'd say any mapper who can use JOSM and has been<br clear="none">
involved in a couple of HOT tasks in the past. It's definitely a good<br clear="none">
idea of yours to validate as soon as possible, and get feedback<br clear="none">
straight back to the people you're working with.<br clear="none">
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Have fun!<br clear="none">
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<span><font color="#888888">Dan<br clear="none">
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2015-02-04 7:59 GMT+00:00 Willy Bakker <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:friesewoudloper@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:friesewoudloper@gmail.com">friesewoudloper@gmail.com</a>>:<br clear="none">
> Hi,<br clear="none">
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> In the Netherlands we are organizing a Missing Maps Mapping Party the 14th<br clear="none">
> of february.<br clear="none">
> I'd really like your feedback on two questions we have:<br clear="none">
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> Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin during<br clear="none">
> the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD editor<br clear="none">
> was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used JOSM. Which<br clear="none">
> one is the best for beginners?<br clear="none">
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> Secondly, we think it is important that tasks that are done are validated as<br clear="none">
> soon as possible. Because of that we would like to 'appoint' an experienced<br clear="none">
> mapper at the mapping party to validate the done tasks. But what are the<br clear="none">
> requirements for this person? Can any experienced mapper validate tasks?<br clear="none">
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> Regards,<br clear="none">
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> Willy Bakker<br clear="none">
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