<div dir="ltr"><div><blockquote align="left" style="margin-left:0cm"><font style="font-size:10pt">Hi
all,<br><br>I rename the object of the discussion because from the example of Linkedin, this email is dealing with a bigger issue. Begining of the discussion is available at the bottom.<br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote align="left" style="margin-left:0cm"><font style="font-size:10pt">If the HOT US Inc organization have a "company"
page on Linkedin, I don't really feel affected even if it's not</font><font style="font-size:10pt"><font style="font-size:10pt"> insignificant</font>. <br>I know this designation of « HOT US Inc »
embarasses some people but this is a main part of the essence of the
problem : the distinction between HOT as a project and HOT US
Inc as an US-based NGO. So I will use "HOT US Inc" as a convenient way to refer to this organization.<br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote align="left" style="margin-left:0cm"><font style="font-size:10pt">By
creating this page, the Communication Working Group must use a
different name of « Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team ». By
using this inappropriate designation, the HOT US Inc organization
keeps up the monopolization of public/private positions around the
HOT objectives, speaking as if you were representing the thousands of
volunteers working with praiseworthy motivations, it's how people can
feel about this, it's how I feel.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote align="left" style="margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm">
<font style="font-size:10pt">Let's begin with an example :<br>I work
as a volunteer for the Projet Espace OSM Francophone in Burkina Faso
for the year 2015 to support the growth of the local OSM community,
improve the map and to outreach civil society, academics,
authorities, association, medias etc. (<a href="http://projeteof.org/le-local-dosm-burkina-est-ouvert/" target="_blank">last
blog post</a>) We organized mapathons to support, with other african
communities, Ebola response : we are here in the heart of the HOT
Project.<br>But what happens ? people like the HOT concept, they go
on the internet and search for "Humanitarian OSM Team" : they find <a href="http://hotosm.org/" target="_blank">hotosm.org</a>
with the HOT logo.</font></blockquote><font style="font-size:10pt">They see the page "Leadership"
with "Finance" or "Membership" sections, or the
page "Get Involved" with the "Joining the
organization" section ...</font><font style="font-size:10pt"><br>and they ask "hum...but
OpenStreetMap is not a free, open and collaborative project ?",
"are you working for them ?", « </font><font style="font-size:10pt">HOT
is american ? »</font><font style="font-size:10pt"><br>And now the new "company"
page on Linkedin will reinforce this kind of dangerous confusion :
this is not insignificant.</font>
<blockquote align="left" style="margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm">
<font style="font-size:10pt">Everybody is free to choose
his/her approach within the HOT concept but what occurs now is that
choices are more and more restricted, less choices for individuals,
for us, volunteers … because of this monopolization.<br><br>Just put this in the context
of the wide OSM community : imagine that ALL the information linked
to OSM project was linked to a specific-country incorporated
organization called ... OSM ! same logo, same name, same aims, same
websites, same tools … Here is the problem !</font></blockquote><font style="font-size:10pt">HOT is a powerful name, built
by a collaborative work ! <br>It can't be taken away by anybody, by
any organization, even if the birth of the organization was intimately linked to the birth of the project : same context, same people ...<br><br></font></div><font style="font-size:10pt">It's not a good approach to
say "you should join us in Working Groups" to help decide
the future of HOT ... </font>this is really time-consuming, in english with a
majority of native-english speaker and people don't seem to be pretty
interested by this kind of concern (it has been already raised for 1
year now and it's worse and worse).<br>Within the HOT Projec<font>t the responsability :<br>-</font><font style="font-size:10pt"> of the
membership is to be challenging and demanding because we can do best
for the HOT project.</font><font style="font-size:10pt"><br>- of the community is to refuse the consequent appropriation of his
HOT Project by an organization growing quickly.<br></font>- of the board of the HOT US Inc organization is to
do the best to preserve the independence, the autonomy of the HOT
Project and not be at the source of these dangerous confusions
because your power is now too large.<br><div>
<p style="margin-right:1cm" align="left"><font style="font-size:10pt">Proposition : again
it shows the importance of defining a HOT Project + Charter + Commons
as it's nicely explained in Severin's diary
here <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sev_hotosm/diary/21846">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sev_hotosm/diary/21846</a></font></p>
<blockquote align="left" style="margin-left:0cm"><font style="font-size:10pt">gus</font></blockquote>
<blockquote align="left" style="margin-left:0cm"><font style="font-size:10pt">PS
: as an element of context, I'd like to remind that I worked 6 months
as a volunteer for the HOT US Inc organization in <a href="http://hotosm.org/projects/senegal_0" target="_blank">Senegal
in 2012</a></font></blockquote><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Augustin Doury</span><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">+22660717822<br></span></span>Projet Espace OpenStreetMap Francophone | <a href="http://projeteof.org" target="_blank">projeteof.org</a> | @ProjetEOF<br><br></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-02-06 18:07 GMT+00:00 Russell Deffner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:russell.deffner@hotosm.org" target="_blank">russell.deffner@hotosm.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Sev,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">I don’t have much to specifically reply about your concerns, but wanted to invite any and all who are interested to join the Communication Working Group meeting today, in about 2 hours. We typically meet via Skype and also have a group mailing list, if Skype is a problem we can try to accommodate folks; just reply to this message and myself, Kate, Kristen or Blake will help get you connected.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">In regards to the description, I’m pretty sure that is a copy/paste of our About page on the website – which is actually the bulk of work we are currently doing – updating that content for the website redesign. But also the larger conversation about they who/what/when/why of our Social Media sites is part of this groups TOR.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">=Russ<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Russell Deffner<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="mailto:Russell.Deffner@hotosm.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">Russell.Deffner@hotosm.org</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="http://hot.openstreetmap.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">http://hot.openstreetmap.org/</span></a> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Severin Menard [mailto:<a href="mailto:severin.menard@gmail.com" target="_blank">severin.menard@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 06, 2015 9:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Cupitt<br><b>Cc:</b> HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [HOT] HOT is now on LinkedIn<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Dear all,<br><br>Sorry for getting back late on this thread.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Linkedin may be a large social media for professionals, what it has achieved by building its audience by emailing systematically personal contact lists, what makes it one of the most spamming site in the OSM talking lists, from my experience of moderator of a few lists. Therefore Linkedin is not very OSM friendly and reading the email title, I thought it was again one of these Linkedin spams slipping through the net from time to time. Linkedin finally got its point, ha!<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I have a few (other) concerns:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">1. The description of what is HOT in this page is not very clear about what HOT is. As a Board member, I must admit we did not work yet on defining what the HOT project is, what we have planned to after the HOT in Person meeting but did not take the time yet to work on it. In IMHO it does not emphasize enough that HOT the nGO has been created to coordinate and support the free contribution of hundreds (almost thousands) of volunteers, that are the core of the HOT project.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">2. What is exactly the aim of "to reach out and engage with Humanitarian and Mapping Professionals" with this group. Finding new people volunteering among the professionals or publishing positions every time new ones are available? IMHO again, would be good tfor the two cases to drive the people interested either to the OSM lists or HOT website. But for the second case, it would be better to have people volunteering first before applying to positions<br><br>3. Why the Discussion group, where it seems discussions are planned to be done, rather than simply linking to existing channels? And this is a closed group (maybe by definition in Linkedin) so it will not help people volunteering to have a clear picture of what happens if there is this group with discussion behind the scenes<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">A few minor remarks or questions: I think HOT the NGO has been officially created in 2010 and not 2012, and do not understand well the figure of 51-200 employees. Is it the total number of people that have been contracted since the creation of the organization? <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sincerely,<br><br>Severin<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Mark Cupitt <<a href="mailto:markcupitt@gmail.com" target="_blank">markcupitt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear All<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The Communications Working Group is pleased to announce that HOT now has a presence on LinkedIn. The objective of this move is to further promote HOT's work to the professional and business community world wide and directly engage with people who may be interested in our activities.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">We have two pages, a Company Page and a Discussion Group<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The Company Page is designed to showcase HOT, what it is and highlight key activities that HOT undertakes.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The company page is at <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/humanitarian-openstreetmap-team" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/humanitarian-openstreetmap-team</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If you are a LinkedIn Member, please show your support by following the company page and sharing the page to your contacts<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hot also has a Discussion Group <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=6937224&trk=groups_management_edit_group_info-h-dsc" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=6937224&trk=groups_management_edit_group_info-h-dsc</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This Group is not intended to replace the main Hot List, rather it is intended as a mechanism to reach out and engage with Humanitarian and Mapping Professionals all over the world as well as promoting HOT Activities and events<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Again, please join the group and share it with all your contacts.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">We are excited about this New LinkedIn Presence! <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">LinkedIn has a reach that extends to millions of professionals world wide and we look forward to engaging with people from all over the world and showcasing our work.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Regards<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Mark Cupitt<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">"If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence"<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt" target="_blank">See me on Open StreetMap</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>_______________________________________________<br>HOT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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