<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7439"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7454">I would add to this,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7455" dir="ltr"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7454"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7484" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7454">This is the ransom of the success we had with the OpenStreetMap responses over the last few years</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7485" dir="ltr"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7454"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7625" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7454">- Haiti 2010 1.5 million edits</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7523" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7454">- Haiyan 2013 4.5 million edits</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7524" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7454">- Ebola million edits 16 milllions up to now?<br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7624" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7454">- Nepal 2015, 1.5 million edits in three days (my last count yesterday night)</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7440"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7623"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7537">These HOT activations are quite a labotary, both very frustrating and motivating. We grow rapidly, interconnect with more organizations and constantly have to revise our workflows, adapt to new contexts.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7558" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7609" dir="ltr">At the same time, this is what's make our force.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7610" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7611" dir="ltr">What's can help the most in such HOT activations is some groups of experimented OSM contributors that take tasks like validation or routing. At the same time, the coordination is very important. Workflows and progress should be discussed.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7612" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7613" dir="ltr">Amazing also all the products that came out in the last few days proposed by various developpers. Too busy to list them now. Please add these in the wiki.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7614" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7615" dir="ltr">Cheer<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7674" dir="ltr"><br></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7441" class="signature"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7525" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"> <br><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7526" face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7444" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7443" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7442" dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7447" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Andrew Buck <andrew.r.buck@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> hot@openstreetmap.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mardi 28 avril 2015 8h18<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430227556265_7448" class="y_msg_container"><br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br clear="none">Hash: SHA1<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I do agree with you in principle, and actually suggested using the<br clear="none">information on the task manager linke number of tiles a user has<br clear="none">completed to do things like flag new users tiles for extra caution in<br clear="none">validating and such. Whether we want to restrict validating by them<br clear="none">as well is another possibility. We need to be very careful though to<br clear="none">not discourage them because new users are the people that become<br clear="none">experienced users a short time later and we need all the volunteers we<br clear="none">can get.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Also, I do think we tend to focus too much on the task manager,<br clear="none">especially during activations; that is why I mentioned the josm thing.<br clear="none"> It is an excellent tool, and we should definitely continue using it,<br clear="none">but we should also look at other ways more experienced mappers can<br clear="none">help out. Downloading large areas by an experienced mapper and 'spot<br clear="none">checking' them it a very good, and efficient, way of doing QA for<br clear="none">those that know how. We need to be thinking of these other, non task<br clear="none">manager, workflows for more experienced mappers that don't interfere<br clear="none">with the workers on the task managers, but also allow for more<br clear="none">efficient work by those who can handle the tools.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">- -AndrewBuck<br clear="none"><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>