<html><body><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Yes, this is EXACTLY what we need more of. For every feature type being requested for major activations, there should be THIS type of specific guidance. Thanks Chad. I've added it to my page:</div><div><a href="http://stanfordgeospatialcenter.github.io/Map4Nepal_Resources/">http://stanfordgeospatialcenter.github.io/Map4Nepal_Resources/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span name="x"></span><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><br>In F,L&T,<br>Stace Maples <br>Geospatial Manager <br>Stanford Geospatial Center <br>@mapninja <br><a href="mailto:staceymaples@G+">staceymaples@G+</a></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;">Skype: stacey.maples</p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;">214.641.0920</p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;">Find GeoData: <a href="https://earthworks.stanford.edu">https://earthworks.stanford.edu</a> </p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;">Get GeoHelp: <a href="https://gis.stanford.edu/" style="font-size: 12pt;">https://gis.stanford.edu/</a></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><br></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;">"I have a map of the United States... actual size. <br>It says, "Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile." <br>I spent last summer folding it." <br>-Steven Wright-</p><span name="x"></span><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Chad Blevins" <cblevins@usaid.gov><br><b>To: </b>"Stace Maples" <stacemaples@stanford.edu><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:54:45 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!<br><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Hi Stacy,<div><br></div><div>The lack of guidance does lead to poor quality data. Do you have any feedback on this guide for identifying <a href="http://hotosm.github.io/tracing-guides/guide/Nepal.html#IDP Collection Guidance" target="_blank">IDPs in Kathmandu</a>? I tried to keep is short enough so people would read it and informative enough so everyone knows why they are doing this.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div>Chad </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Stacey Maples <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stacemaples@stanford.edu" target="_blank">stacemaples@stanford.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div>Joining this megathread with some feedback from trainings I'm running:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Peole area eager to do things "the right way" the problem is that once you've completed the Mapgive style training and selected a specific job to work on, there is VERY LITTLE TO NO GUIDANCE on what is the "right way" to digitize buildings, Residential areas, roads and paths for specific tasks. </div><div><br></div><div>2. Project Descriptions and Instructions should include the stakeholder's end use (what are the building footprints to be used for? Why is delineating residential areas important?, etc...), so people understand what the use of what they are creating is. I'm not even sure what the data is being used for as I am doing training, so my stock answer is "buildings are not for cadastral purposes, they don't need to be perfect. They are for counts, for population estimates and for prioritization and assessment." It would be helpful if someone with more knowledge of the end use could provide real insight into HOW the data is actually being operationalized. That kind of feedback can drive better data creation.</div><div><br></div><div>3. Images of region and job specific examples of buildings, resid areas and roads/paths need to be part of the Description/Instructions. An excellent example of how effective this can be is this recent job: <a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1010" target="_blank">http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1010</a></div><div><br></div><div>4. If you have a complaint about how something is being done, Don't spend 10 minutes creating a rant email. Spend 30 creating a tutorial for how to do it right. People want to help, they want to know how to help, they want to know how to help in the best way possible. Help them help.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm doing a training in 20 minutes (did one last night for 20+ Nepali students here at Stanford). When I'm done, I will work on screenshots and writing up examples of good work on Nepal Roads, Buildings and residential areas. If someone can send me links to examples in OSM, or provide clarification on stakeholder needs and uses of these layers to help guide me in that tutorial, that would be great.</div><div><br></div><div><span></span><p style="margin:0px"><br>In F,L&T,<br>Stace Maples <br>Geospatial Manager <br>Stanford Geospatial Center <br>@mapninja <br><a href="mailto:staceymaples@G+" target="_blank">staceymaples@G+</a></p><p style="margin:0px">Skype: stacey.maples</p><p style="margin:0px"><a href="tel:214.641.0920" target="_blank">214.641.0920</a></p><p style="margin:0px">Find GeoData: <a href="https://earthworks.stanford.edu" target="_blank">https://earthworks.stanford.edu</a> </p><p style="margin:0px">Get GeoHelp: <a href="https://gis.stanford.edu/" style="font-size:12pt" target="_blank">https://gis.stanford.edu/</a></p><p style="margin:0px"><br></p><p style="margin:0px">"I have a map of the United States... actual size. <br>It says, "Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile." <br>I spent last summer folding it." <br>-Steven Wright-</p><span></span><br></div><hr><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From: </b>"Pierre Béland" <<a href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>><span class=""><br><b>To: </b>"Andrew Buck" <<a href="mailto:andrew.r.buck@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrew.r.buck@gmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">hot@openstreetmap.org</a><br></span><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, April 28, 2015 6:57:10 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!<br><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr"><span>I would add to this,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><br><span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>This is the ransom of the success we had with the OpenStreetMap responses over the last few years</span></div><div dir="ltr"><br><span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>- Haiti 2010 1.5 million edits</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>- Haiyan 2013 4.5 million edits</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>- Ebola million edits 16 milllions up to now?<br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>- Nepal 2015, 1.5 million edits in three days (my last count yesterday night)</span></div><div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">These HOT activations are quite a labotary, both very frustrating and motivating. We grow rapidly, interconnect with more organizations and constantly have to revise our workflows, adapt to new contexts.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">At the same time, this is what's make our force.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">What's can help the most in such HOT activations is some groups of experimented OSM contributors that take tasks like validation or routing. At the same time, the coordination is very important. Workflows and progress should be discussed.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Amazing also all the products that came out in the last few days proposed by various developpers. Too busy to list them now. Please add these in the wiki.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cheer<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div><div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0,0,191);font-weight:bold"> <br><span style="font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif">Pierre </span><br></span></div><br> <div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b> Andrew Buck <<a href="mailto:andrew.r.buck@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrew.r.buck@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> <a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">hot@openstreetmap.org</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mardi 28 avril 2015 8h18<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!<br> </span> </div> <div><br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br clear="none">Hash: SHA1<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I do agree with you in principle, and actually suggested using the<br clear="none">information on the task manager linke number of tiles a user has<br clear="none">completed to do things like flag new users tiles for extra caution in<br clear="none">validating and such. Whether we want to restrict validating by them<br clear="none">as well is another possibility. We need to be very careful though to<br clear="none">not discourage them because new users are the people that become<br clear="none">experienced users a short time later and we need all the volunteers we<br clear="none">can get.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Also, I do think we tend to focus too much on the task manager,<br clear="none">especially during activations; that is why I mentioned the josm thing.<br clear="none"> It is an excellent tool, and we should definitely continue using it,<br clear="none">but we should also look at other ways more experienced mappers can<br clear="none">help out. Downloading large areas by an experienced mapper and 'spot<br clear="none">checking' them it a very good, and efficient, way of doing QA for<br clear="none">those that know how. We need to be thinking of these other, non task<br clear="none">manager, workflows for more experienced mappers that don't interfere<br clear="none">with the workers on the task managers, but also allow for more<br clear="none">efficient work by those who can handle the tools.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">- -AndrewBuck<br clear="none"><br></div> </div> </div> </div><br></div></div><span class="">_______________________________________________<br>HOT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><br></span></div><div><br></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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