<p dir="ltr">Thanks for the confirmation, Kevin. Can you point us toward any information about theTomnod validation process, and the pipeline for the data once it's validated?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we're already using the same imagery; it's entirely from DigitalGlobe, and the Mapbox crew processed that and made it available to us within hours of it being released (Camilla or Charlie - correct me if I'm wrong). The issue is
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<b>Envoyé le :</b> Mercredi 29 avril 2015 13h05<br>
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