<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div>Hi Bill</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282490"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282049" dir="ltr">For now, only the leaders of the activation. But we need help. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282570" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282569" dir="ltr">Responsabilities to define. Below are some thoutghts.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282568" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282567" dir="ltr">With the new post-imagery coming in, there are various products that can be made. It would be possible to monitor the informal camps with the successive post-disaster imagery available. Evaluation of villages and roads are other aspects to examine to help orient the response in remote areas. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282571" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282610" dir="ltr">People interested, please contact activation@hotosm.org<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282051"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282009" class="signature"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"> <br><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282005" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282004" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282006" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282008" size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282007" face="Arial" size="2"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282447"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282446" style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> William Morris <wboykinm@geosprocket.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> Pierre Béland <pierzenh@yahoo.fr>; Kevin Bullock <kbullock@digitalglobe.com>; "hot@openstreetmap.org" <hot@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mercredi 29 avril 2015 22h01<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [HOT] TomNod integration for the next time around<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282003" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv4865036055"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282002"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282001" dir="ltr">Thanks Kevin. I just updated the map, and I have to say the clusters of "verified" damage seem actionable from a task planning standpoint: <a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282052" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://geosprocket.cartodb.com/viz/bb5ed630-ee1e-11e4-8dca-0e018d66dc29/embed_map">https://geosprocket.cartodb.com/viz/bb5ed630-ee1e-11e4-8dca-0e018d66dc29/embed_map</a> I look forward to seeing your post about this.<br clear="none"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282486"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282487">This data could be very valuable to incorporate. Pierre, is there a tech working group that focuses on the task manager?</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282488"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282489">-Bill</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv4865036055yqt6644532988" id="yiv4865036055yqt10421"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282092" class="yiv4865036055gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 8:08 PM Pierre Béland <<a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282091" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282098" class="yiv4865036055gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282178"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282177" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div>Thanks Kevin,</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282176" dir="ltr">will look at this validation data.<br clear="none"></div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282101"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282100" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282102"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282099"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282162" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0,0,191);font-weight:bold;"> <br clear="none"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282161" face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br clear="none"></span></div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282097"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282096" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282095" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282094" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282093" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282160" size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282105" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Kevin Bullock <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kbullock@digitalglobe.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kbullock@digitalglobe.com">kbullock@digitalglobe.com</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">À :</span></b> 'William Morris' <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:wboykinm@geosprocket.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wboykinm@geosprocket.com">wboykinm@geosprocket.com</a>>; Pierre Béland <<a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282104" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>>; "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mercredi 29 avril 2015 17h24<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Objet :</span></b> RE: [HOT] TomNod integration for the next time around<br clear="none"> </font> </div></div></div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282110"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282109" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282108" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282107" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282106"><br clear="none"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282114"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282113">
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282111"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282115" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Pierre, Bill, I can confirm the imagery source is the same. Meaning, the imagery we licensed openly was used both by HOT (via Mapbox) and on the Tomnod platform.
I am actually putting a blog post together on this topic, and this thread has been *<b>very insightful</b>*. Barrier of entry is indeed one of the huge differentiators! As an example, my kids can participate on Tomnod, but need another decade or so before
they can contribute to OSM </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d;">J</span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282116" style="font-size:11.0pt;">. As such, we are seeing (I believe) a higher volume of contributors
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282119"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430299738767_282118" style="font-size:11.0pt;">So far, here is what the Tomnod team has validated, AND, here is a link to the GeoJSON:</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;">488 Damaged Buildings Verified, 36 Damaged Roads Verified</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;">Download the Validated geojson: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://s3.amazonaws.com/tomnod-james/nepal_earthquake_2015_15448_validated.geojson.json.zip" title="https://s3.amazonaws.com/tomnod-james/nepal_earthquake_2015_15448_validated.geojson.json.zip"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">https://s3.amazonaws.com/tomnod-james/nepal_earthquake_2015_15448_validated.geojson.json.zip</span></a></span></div>
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<div style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">We surely have to coordinate with others and not repeat what they have done. This imagery would be useful for OSM response to have general
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<div style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Do we have easy access to these imagery used for evaluation. Do we have tms link to easily use. Could the info be added to the uMap?</span></div>
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<b>À :</b> "</span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">hot@openstreetmap.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">" <</span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">hot@openstreetmap.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">>;
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<b>Envoyé le :</b> Mercredi 29 avril 2015 13h05<br clear="none">
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