<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431113990289_118030">Editors, either ID or JOSM will surely evolve to be more intuitive for new contributors. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431113990289_118029"><br></div><div>If we look at the characteristics of the contributors for the first 12 days of this Nepal response</div><div>- 5,765 contributors</div><div dir="ltr">- 3,684 opened an OSM account since Apr. 25</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431113990289_121166" dir="ltr">- 2,820 of these new contributors contributed only one day<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431113990289_121511"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431113990289_121543" dir="ltr">My opinion is that we should not concentrate on the volume of edits made by these contributors, but assure that they can learn the basis rapidly and produce data of quality. The mapathons bring in numerous of new contributors that become aware of OpenStreetMap, which is a good result. We need tools to have the capacity to follow their edits as they learn this to assure that they master the basic concepts of editing. It would be interesting to analyze how we can retain more contributors, wha make them come back to edit for a second day. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431113990289_121544" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431113990289_118024" class="signature"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431113990289_118023" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"> <br><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431113990289_118022" face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431113990289_121550" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431113990289_121549" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431113990289_121548" dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431113990289_121551" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Russell Deffner <russell.deffner@hotosm.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> 'Tom McDonald' <tmcd123@gmail.com>; 'Kretzer' <kretzer@gmx.net> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc :</span></b> hot@openstreetmap.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Vendredi 8 mai 2015 21h11<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv7169240577"><style>#yiv7169240577 #yiv7169240577 --
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#yiv7169240577 </style><div><div class="yiv7169240577WordSection1"><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Hi Tom and Kretzer,</span></div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Something to note, is there are other advantages and disadvantages to the various editors and that is why we must allow for people to choose which one is right for them. In some places we work, people are less familiar with computers and the internet. In some cases, just being a desktop editor makes JOSM more familiar and easier to work with. In other cases it can be difficult to explain what Java is and why JOSM doesn’t work without it. You can be more certain that they already have a browser installed; many of our first day trainings in the field are a bit of general computer usage to start. Locally during a disaster there may not be an internet and you need offline capability, but possibly there is hit and miss cell service enough to use a mobile editor.</span></div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">This is what makes it pretty much impossible to just ‘flip a switch’ and have everyone using the same tools and methods and find a training method that works for all (not to mention different learning styles, etc.) I can say that in my short time with OSM, there have been leaps and bounds in making things more user friendly as well as easier to check quality, use the data, etc., etc. I remember there were a few videos made by Steve Coast showing how to edit with Potlatch, and they worked to get me started (and were rather entertaining/comical) but somewhat showcase two issues I often think about regarding training tools: translation and shelf-life; I think those videos may have disappeared already, but even at the time I watched them, things had changed and they were showing their age.</span></div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">I know this was a bit more than a reply just to this thread, but sort of a reply in general to a lot of topics; please do keep up the conversation, we can always do better,</span></div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">=Russ</span></div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv7169240577yqt1693737047" id="yiv7169240577yqt01114"><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Tom McDonald [mailto:tmcd123@gmail.com] <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 08, 2015 6:43 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Kretzer<br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> hot@openstreetmap.org<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity</span></div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"> </div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal">I agree John - JOSM should be encouraged for building mapping. I do not think it deserves a difficult reputation. </div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal">An awesome and easy to use feature (besides the building tool of course) is the filter: setting one to hide all building=* makes it really easy to flip all buildings on/off. This makes it easier to see buildings you may have missed.</div></div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><br clear="none">Tom</div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv7169240577yqt1693737047" id="yiv7169240577yqt17749"><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"> </div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal">On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Kretzer <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kretzer@gmx.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:kretzer@gmx.net">kretzer@gmx.net</a>> wrote:</div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Or you could go the other way and ad a building tool to iD.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">This needs to be kept simple I guess, but there could be some tools to speed up editing in iD.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Antoher thing that makes editing in iD slower is that you can always only edit one item a time. I'd like to be able to select several objects and move them, or tag them together.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;"> </span></div><div style="border:none;border-left:solid #C3D9E5 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 8.0pt;margin-left:7.5pt;margin-top:7.5pt;margin-right:3.75pt;margin-bottom:3.75pt;word-wrap:break-word;"><div style="margin-bottom:7.5pt;"><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Gesendet:</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;"> Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 01:45 Uhr<br clear="none"><b>Von:</b> "john whelan" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none"><b>An:</b> "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Betreff:</b> [HOT] slow time mapper productivity</span></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="">This is definitely slow time and not something to distract HOT at the moment.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style=""><br clear="none">Mapping buildings is not my favourite occupation. I reward myself by breaking off and sending the odd email etc from time to time so the figures below are not head down hard mapping of buildings.<br clear="none"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="">However I noticed that in a one hour session in Nepal I mapped around six hundred buildings using JOSM building_tool including one or two odd shaped ones <shift>J thanks to Blake's video.<br clear="none"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="">If I look at the tiles I'm working on I see that half the mappers only map twenty buildings or less and there aren't that many mappers mapping over a hundred buildings in a tile.<br clear="none"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="">Does it matter? If we were paying mappers for their time then yes it would, we aren't but even so think how much more quickly we could complete projects with the same resources and we won't even talk about data quality issues.<br clear="none"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="">I understand that JOSM has acquired a reputation for being hard to teach and use by some but perhaps with suitable guidelines we can get a bit more productivity out of our mappers? <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Cheerio John</span></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">_______________________________________________ HOT mailing list <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">HOT mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a></div></div></div><div class="yiv7169240577MsoNormal"> </div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="yqt1693737047" id="yqt38408">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">HOT mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>