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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Springfield Harrison [<a href="mailto:stellargps@gmail.com">mailto:stellargps@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 11 May 2015 3:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael; 'HOT'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [HOT] QGIS and OSM and..<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hello Michael,<br><br>Thanks for your reply.<br><br><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So you are confirming that downloading OSM data through JSOM is a waste of time? I wish I had known this earlier. I was advised that it would download all of Nepal but that doesn't seem to be the case.<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>JOSM is really just an editor for doing small area changes to OSM data - its not designed for country editing. QGIS however, can download any area in the world (subject to your bandwidth and hard disc size)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br><br>I tried the open street map data link that you provided. It shows some promise but I haven't looked at the data yet. [Just looked at some of those shapefiles, they do load and display in QGIS. However, when I tried to change the symbology for the helipads, they all disappeared. WTF?]<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OK - thats likely a QGIS issue - nothing to do with OSM<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br><br>I also stumbled upon the HOT Export site. It is very convoluted but also shows promise once one figures out the myriad of options. Creating presets would be helped enormously if there were drop-down lists for the keys and their values. My last attempt here failed, probably due to bad capitalization or some such. It looks like a dog's breakfast.<br><br>Now I see your reference to Overpass Turbo, hopefully not another blind alley. Simply downloading data in OSM is anything but streamlined. The key/value concept seems to complicate things considerably. What is the benefit of that system?<br><br>I have fired up Overpass Turbo. Used the wizard to create and run a query but the export options only offers some less than useful choices. GPX and KML files are of limited use in a GIS and I don't recognize any of the other files. The geojson file was only recognized by QGIS but it would not display.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#4F81BD'>Make sure JOSN is running (with remote control turned on) and then use the Overpass turbo export "</span><span class=t><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#4F81BD;background:white'>load data into an OSM editor:</span></span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#4F81BD;background:white'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#4F81BD'><a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/" id=export-editors-josm><b><span style='color:#4F81BD;background:white'>JOSM</span></b></a><span style='background:white'>,</span><a href="http://level0.osmz.ru/?url=%2F%2Foverpass-api.de%2Fapi%2Finterpreter%3Fdata%3D%252F*%250AThis%2520has%2520been%2520generated%2520by%2520the%2520overpass-turbo%2520wizard.%250AThe%2520original%2520search%2520was%253A%250A%25E2%2580%259Chelipad%25E2%2580%259D%250A*%252F%250A%255Bout%253Axml%255D%252F*fixed%2520by%2520auto%2520repair*%252F%255Btimeout%253A25%255D%253B%250A%252F%252F%2520gather%2520results%250A(%250A%2520%2520%252F%252F%2520query%2520part%2520for%253A%2520%25E2%2580%259Chelipad%25E2%2580%259D%250A%2520%2520node%255B%2522aeroway%2522%253D%2522helipad%2522%255D(26.635183800721723%252C83.935546875%252C28.72672197269823%252C86.83319091796875)%253B%250A%2520%2520way%255B%2522aeroway%2522%253D%2522helipad%2522%255D(26.635183800721723%252C83.935546875%252C28.72672197269823%252C86.83319091796875)%253B%250A%2520%2520relation%255B%2522aeroway%2522%253D%2522helipad%2522%255D(26.635183800721723%252C83.935546875%252C28.72672197269823%252C86.83319091796875)%253B%250A)%253B%250A%252F%252F%2520print%2520results%250Aout%2520meta%253B%252F*fixed%2520by%2520auto%2520repair*%252F%250A%253E%253B%250Aout%2520meta%2520qt%253B%252F*fixed%2520by%2520auto%2520repair*%252F" target="_blank" id=export-editors-level0><b><span style='color:#4F81BD;background:white'>Level0</span></b></a>". Then in JOSN you can edit away as required</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br> <br>Then I tried the KML and GPX files. I'm QGIS the KML file was listed but not accepted for viewing; the GPX layers were accepted but would not display. In JSON the KML file was not recognized and GPX file would not display.<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Most of this sounds like QGIS issues/familiarity not OSM issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br><br>If I recall correctly, the option to send the query results directly to JSON failed also.<br><br>This is a huge amount of trial and error with very little, almost nothing, to show for two late nights. I appreciate everyone's attempt to help, and have read many wiki pages but she's all uphill.<br><br>My intention is very simple -</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:Symbol'>· </span> <span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>download a shapefile of the Nepal task tiles</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:Symbol'>· </span> <span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>download a shapefile of the potential and actual helipads [this might have been achieved with the Hot Export, the many attempts are all blurring together now]</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:Symbol'>· </span> <span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>possibly download a shapefile of other features<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The question here is "what do you want to do with the data after you have it?" We can suggest the best tools if we know what the whole job actually is. I have sent you a KML file of Leisure=common sites (around 1400 potential helipad sites) that you could use in Google Earth (as you previously mentioned that it would help you define better landing sites). I have also suggested how you can then edit them again via OSM.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There is not a quick process to take masses of data out of OSM, edit it offline, and then reimport it with validation ...especially whilst there are so many folks editing during an activation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If someone can outline a GUARANTEED process to achieve that I would be most appreciative. In most GIS environments, these are everyday activities accomplished with a few mouse clicks. In many years, I don't think I have ever seen such a complex mishmash of GIS tools.<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yep, each set of tools and software have their uses, foibles and learning curve - personally I use Mapinfo, QGIS, FME, OSM, JOSM Editor, ID Editor, Google Earth, Oziexplorer, Mapsource, Basecamp and occasionally even ESRI products (even Manifold years ago!). Sometimes a combination of tools gives the best result.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br><br> Thanks very much, Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring Harrison<br><br><br><br><br></span>At 10-05-2015 10:33 Sunday, Michael wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Spring,<br><br>Am 10.05.2015 um 10:47 schrieb Springfield Harrison:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Further bad news, trying to download OSM through JOSM yielded the following message:<br><br>/The OSM server 'api.openstreetmap.org' reported a bad request.<br><br>The area you tried to download is too big or your request was too large.<br>Either request a smaller area or use an export file provided by the OSM community.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>I am afraid but this is standard behavior in any editor. Basically this is not the way to go if you actually want to download OSM data for consumption.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>/Does this process usually work? Is it not possible to simply get a shapefile<br>of this information and avoid all the multiple file type rigmarole?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>If you actually want a shapefile for all of Nepal I would recommend using one of the available downloads listed on <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake#Exporting_OpenStreetMap_data">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake#Exporting_OpenStreetMap_data</a> <br><br>But if you are only interested in some feature you should have a look at Overpass Turbo. This allows to download filtered results. <a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9hb">http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9hb</a> is a sample query for aeroway=helipad in the area showed in the map. But unfortunately this will not yield shapefiles. Also the query language requires to go through some learning curve if you want to create a bit more complex queries.<br><br>Cheers,<br> Michael (user Ohr)<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>