<div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Salut Pierre, hi Will, dear leading HOT members, hello all</font><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">2015-05-15 18:44 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote</span>:<br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"></div></blockquote></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">> Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on how to both respond quickly and assure data quality.</span><br></font></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I really appreciate your work and the work of all contributors. </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">So excuse me if I'm little bit too harsh now.</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I'm trying to to collect the minimal common set of HOT tags for specifying a renderer, for future use and for OSM quality in general. </font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Will already answered finally in an earlier post (thanks!) </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">- but I'm sorry to say: </span></font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">What we (OSM) now have in HOT pages is a tag mess since years! </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Please correct me if I'm wrong. </span>Perhaps there a process on tagging mailing list I'm missing? <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Here's what I found: </span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">To me the potential main HOT tag page is "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1]. This page is very "orphaned" - it has been edited twice since 2013(!?).</font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">It prominently points to "Humanitarian_Data_Background" as "An up-to-date list of tags for HOT" - being a page which has been updated 3.5 years ago (!?). </font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Then I see that no single wiki page with Nepal in its title - including "2015_Nepal_earthquake" [3] - is pointing to Humanitarian_OSM_Tags, whereas the Nepal_remote_mapping_guide [4] mainly lists the usual main tags (like building=yes, natural=wood|water, water=*, waterway=river, waterway=stream, landuse=farmland).</font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I would expect at least to see tags like damage:event and idp:camp_site - being top 20 in [6] - to show up in any wiki page related to tags mentioned above. </font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">But these aren't even mentioned in the wiki except somehow in [4] - but which was declared outdated 2013.</font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">How can we clean up this under-documented mess and "tag soup" at least for a small common set of tags?</font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Yours, S.</font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">[1] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags</a><br></font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">[2] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Background" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Background</a></font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">[3] <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake</a></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">[4] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide#Tagging" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide#Tagging</a> </font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">[5] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model</a></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">[6] <a href="http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys" target="_blank">http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys</a></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-05-15 18:44 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div dir="ltr">This OSM response for Nepal is quite challenging. And even more difficult for our friends at the Kathmandu Living Labs (KLL) who have to suffer the emotional impact of the second earthquake this week. They also have to move from the famous Yellow house to a school. This should assure them a more secure area to work.</div><div dir="ltr">Cheers to them that maintain the Nepal earthquake Ushahidi map, provide various mapping services to the humanitarian in the field and assure the interface with the Nepal governement and the various UN Coordination structures for this response (ie The clusters to coordinate sanitation, water, logistic, food distribution, health, etc).</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">As usual, the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap community assures the interface between the OSM community, the UN agencies and the international organizations. We support the OSM remote response from around the word and we co-coordinate with KLL. We both interface with the DHNetwork digital organization and various other groups via Skype. We have a great support from the International Charter (imagery providers), UNOSAT, DigitalGlobe, Airbus, the HIU unit of the US State dept., Google, and our dedicated OSM/HOT experienced contributors and developpers.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Plus the various groups that provide the 30 minutes updates for the various OSM exports.</div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake#Map_and_Data_Services" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake#Map_and_Data_Services</a><br> </div><div dir="ltr"></div><div>Still more challenges to come with the landslides risks and the monsoon coming soon.</div><div><br></div><div>At the same time, it is important to assure a good coordination of the OSM community from around the world. The statistics below show great numbers and some challenges with all the new contributors that participate to the response. Note that these are preliminary statistics that can be revised later. With less then 3 weeks of response, we already have edited more the 13 million of objects. <br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">The pbf export file increased from 27 megs april 24 to 84 megs yesterday. Three times bigger. This is quite awesome. It also shows how we should adapt to such a rapid growth of the OSM database for Nepal and maintain quality to adequately respond to the operational needs of the humanitarian organizations in the field.</div><br><div><br></div><div>
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<td align="left" height="17">Preliminary statistics, Nepal Response Apr-25 – May 15, including worldwide mechanical edits</td>
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<td align="right"><b>6,456</b></td>
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<td style="border-top-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(0,0,0);border-bottom-width:2px;border-bottom-style:solid;border-bottom-color:rgb(0,0,0);border-right-width:2px;border-right-style:solid;border-right-color:rgb(0,0,0)" align="right"><b><span>13,089,247</span></b></td>
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</div><div dir="ltr">Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on how to both respond quickly and assure data quality. OSM crowdsourcing can be compared to an image that we load throug internet. First, we have a quite inprecise image, coming clearer gradually. The Mapathons a bit of this role. If unorganized, they can bring a lot of data quality problems. The worlwide OSM community can play a strategic role in such a response by contributing to structure the way the new contributors learn OSM and edit the map. For the first day of contribution, what is important is that people better understand what are the various steps and provide quality data. If we succeed to bring them a second day to help, this will show quite a significant succcess since the majority of them contribute only one day for the response.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">There will be surely Lessons learned from this Response. For now, I suggest that people that organize Mapathons communicate with activation @ <a href="http://hotosm.org" target="_blank">hotosm.org</a> and provide some infos about the Mapathon</div><div dir="ltr">- who Organize this mapathon</div><div dir="ltr">- town, country<br></div><div dir="ltr">- Name, email of organizers</div><div dir="ltr">- how many experienced osm contributors to support the mapathon<br></div><div dir="ltr">- Nb of people that you plan to receive<br></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">- twitter account if you plan to publish updates</div><div dir="ltr">- indicate that you give HOT the license to reuse photos that you publish on Twitter. This can help for outreach and various Blog updates.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><b>Various map products</b></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">UNOSAT GDACS Live map with geolocated damage analysis.</div></div><div dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://unosat.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=b9f9da798f364cd6a6e68fc20f5475eb" target="_blank">https://unosat.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=b9f9da798f364cd6a6e68fc20f5475eb</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Visualisation, <i>Potentially Dangerous Glacial Lakes of Nepal<br clear="none"></i></div><div dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://geoportal.icimod.org/storymaps/nepalglakes/" target="_blank">http://geoportal.icimod.org/storymaps/nepalglakes/</a><br clear="none"></div><div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div></div><div dir="ltr">Lanslides
in the mountains with the last earthquake this week - See this video to
better understand the reality of people living in remote areas of Nepal
with only paths connecting the high mountain villages.</div><div dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599005434733789185" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599005434733789185</a></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">A Visualisation Gift from Christian Quest of OSM-fr<br>New contributions to OSM for Nepal<br>Awesoooooooooooooooooooooome!!!<br><a href="http://osm.cquest.org/nepal/#9/27.7139/85.3198" target="_blank">http://osm.cquest.org/nepal/#9/27.7139/85.3198</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">twitter update on this<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599232884982026241" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599232884982026241</a> <br></div><div><div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0,0,191);font-weight:bold"> </span></div><div>Cheers all<span><font color="#888888"><br><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0,0,191);font-weight:bold"></span></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888"><div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0,0,191);font-weight:bold"></span><br></div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0,0,191);font-weight:bold"><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></font></span></div><br><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px"> </div> </div> </div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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