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Hi Frederic,<br>
<br>
I have been mapping the European refugee camps and boat landing
areas on the Balkans and Greece since half a year. Most of them are
not on OSM for security reasons and the sensitive data they contain
which I collect from UNHCR, MSF and local volunteer groups. So by
now I know pretty much about refugee camp mapping. I also have XML
presets and access to UNHCR data about daily arrivals and situation
reports.<br>
<br>
About the Jordan camps: they are UNHCR camps which means they have
containers and are long-term. But they have grown for sure since the
last two years, 150.000 people live in Zaatari at the moment. There
is infrastructure, markets, shops and clinics. The Azraq camp is
quite new and houses a much lower number of people (15 000) than it
was built for (150.000). Because of the harsh conditions, refugees
prefer to move out and/or start their journey to Europe. Other than
the camp in Zaatari it is isolated and without community life.
Syrian Refugees travelling to Europe usually come from this camp.<br>
<br>
Happy to tell you more about this.<br>
<br>
Katja<br>
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<p dir="ltr">FYI all. My contacts at REACH have moved on from it,
does anyone here have contacts with the current REACH Jordan
team?</p>
<p dir="ltr">In a larger sense these questions of sustainability
and long-term accuracy will be a recurring issue for
humanitarian mapping of camps so it would be good to explore
this topic more. I would type some thoughts but I'm on a tiny
phone screen right now.</p>
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Date: 21 Dec 2015 06:00<br>
Subject: [OSM-talk] Zaatari refugee camp, Jordan / UNHCR / REACH<br>
To: "Talk Openstreetmap" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Hi,<br>
<br>
I see that there's a lot of detail mapped at this refugee
camp<br>
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but when inspecting things more closely, most information seems
to come<br>
from imports that are more than a year old.<br>
<br>
How stable are camps like this - is it prudent to assume that
either<br>
<br>
(a) if there was a greengrocer two years ago in a place, it will
likely<br>
still be there?<br>
<br>
or<br>
<br>
(b) the people who have imported data two years ago as part of
their<br>
job/project/assignment will still be around and change things as
necessary?<br>
<br>
or<br>
<br>
(c) people living in the camp have the necessary training and
resources<br>
to take map updates into their own hands?<br>
<br>
I'd love to get in touch with people who mapped this camp, or
others in<br>
the more recent past, for a couple of general refugee camp
mapping<br>
questions.<br>
<br>
Bye<br>
Frederik<br>
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