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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">John,<br>
      <br>
      I think we could do with more information on LearnOSM - the
      current content is <a
        href="http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/review/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/review/">http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/review/</a></a>
      & a couple of mentions in the Tasking Manager section.<br>
      <br>
      I'm sure there is more information in other sources as well as the
      wiki link <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data</a><br>
      <br>
      If you and a couple of other people could put a guide together
      & run it by a few people (Training Working Group?), I'd be
      happy to take the resulting document & format the text to
      place it on LearnOSM. Grab a few screenshots as well - I'll do the
      formatting, but I don't have time to actually write the text at
      the moment - I can cope with copy & paste & then format
      the outcome. <br>
      <br>
      Regards<br>
      <br>
      Nick<br>
      <br>
      On 11/02/16 18:29, Russell Deffner wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
            all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Validation
            is a ‘beast’ of a discussion that in my opinion has been
            addressed in two parts: teaching/training validators and
            technical changes in the Tasking Manager.  I for one
            completely support building a ‘white-list’ option (or
            otherwise the option to ‘appoint’ validators) into the TM;
            however don’t want to ‘spam’ the list too much, so I think
            this is the ‘most current’ and on-point issue in github: <a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599">https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599</a></a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">However,
            on the training side of things; we have built a
            ‘higher-level’ type of course for validation here: <a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://courses.hotosm.org/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://courses.hotosm.org/">http://courses.hotosm.org/</a></a>
            but it is specific to HOT Disaster Mapping; there has been
            talk about a module for ‘general’ validation on LearnOSM,
            and Nick or someone closer involved with the Training
            Working Group can probably tell you more about that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In
            either case, I think there is plenty of room for
            improvement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">=Russ<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
            Nick Allen [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nick.allen.54@gmail.com">mailto:nick.allen.54@gmail.com</a>] <br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:19 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> john whelan<br>
            <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [HOT] How newer mappers can help a lot
            with the validation process<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>There is a wiki article at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data</a><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>It needs updating. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Nick (OSM=Tallguy)<br>
          my phone is responsible for any spelling mistakes!<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 11 Feb 2016 15:49, "john whelan" <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a></a>>
            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">In
                  there somewhere in a wiki or some such where we can
                  document validation, what works and why and what to
                  look for?  Perhaps put down some sort of service level
                  agreement ie after validation we are only looking for
                  what is requested in the instructions and for a JOSM
                  validotian to be run.  We expect 97% of settlements to
                  be mapped type thing? That way people who wish to
                  validate have something to feel confident about.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                  style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">We
                  need to get more people into validation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Cheerio
                  John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On 11 February 2016 at 09:56, Jo <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com">winfixit@gmail.com</a></a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">If
                    such a volunteer becomes more confident after a
                    while, they shouldn't hesitate to actually validate
                    the task, if all was mapped well and they didn't
                    have to add/change much.<br>
                    <br>
                    When I look at finished tiles, I start with the
                    intention to validate it. If I have to do too much
                    work on it, I will sometimes simply unlock once
                    again, either leaving a note it's actually complete
                    now.<br>
                    If there is still more work than I have time for at
                    that time, it's better to "invalidate", so another
                    mapper knows where more work is needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Polyglot<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">2016-02-11 14:47 GMT+01:00
                        Blake Girardot <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">bgirardot@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          That is a good point John, if anyone does a
                          second look to map in missing buildings in a
                          "completed" task square you should leave a
                          comment on the task square that says you
                          looked over the completed task square and
                          filled in all the missing buildings you could
                          find.<br>
                          <br>
                          For sure it is not a waste of time to review
                          completed task squares, but I agree, it
                          probably only needs one going over before
                          validation.<br>
                          <br>
                          In addition, this is a very helpful way for
                          new mappers to become better mappers and
                          contribute to an urgent priority project to
                          get done well and fast.<br>
                          <br>
                          Tiny task squares help, but stuff still gets
                          missed and often we don't get the validation
                          stage completed in time, no matter how
                          important it is so an informal review makes a
                          big difference if that is what a volunteer
                          wants to do and can contribute.<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          Cheers,<br>
                          Blake<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          On 2/11/2016 2:33 PM, john whelan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">I'm not sure this is the
                          best use of our very limited number of<br>
                          mappers.  Just scanning a tile takes time, so
                          the optimum use of mapper<br>
                          time is to have them scan once when they map
                          and have a validator scan once.<br>
                          <br>
                          For a productivity point of view its better to
                          have new mappers split<br>
                          the tiles twice and map a tiny tile completely
                          than have twenty of them<br>
                          go over the same area.  From the same point of
                          view its better to have<br>
                          them map where we have good imagery than map
                          where quote "You may have<br>
                          to squint a bit".  Mapping whilst squinting
                          takes more time to map the<br>
                          same area than mapping where the imagery is
                          good.  No matter where they<br>
                          map it will be useful to someone if not a
                          short term MSF or American Red<br>
                          Cross project and to be honest if something
                          like Ebola crops up having<br>
                          fairly good mapping of existing highways and
                          villages in place before<br>
                          you start helps those projects in the field at
                          least plan out what and<br>
                          where.<br>
                          <br>
                          Cheerio John<br>
                          <br>
                          On 10 February 2016 at 10:28, Blake Girardot
                          <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">bgirardot@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com">bgirardot@gmail.com</a></a>>>
                              wrote:<br>
                              <br>
                                  Hi all,<br>
                              <br>
                                  I just want to mention, that new
                              mappers can really help with the<br>
                                  validation process by doing what they
                              typically do: Map in roads and<br>
                                  buildings but into "Completed" task
                              squares.<br>
                              <br>
                                  You do not need to mark a task square
                              "Validated", but just<br>
                                  reviewing the completed squares and
                              filling in missing things or<br>
                                  fixing up buildings that might not be
                              mapped very well (squaring up<br>
                                  the rectangular buildings :) is
                              immensely helpful.<br>
                              <br>
                                  I wrote a short OSM Diary entry that
                              says basically the same thing:<br>
                              <br>
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bgirardot/diary/36235"
                                target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bgirardot/diary/36235</a><br>
                              <br>
                                  I just thought I would mention it
                              because if you see projects on the<br>
                                  Tasking Manager that look "done" just
                              know you can always help a bit<br>
                                  more by reviewing "Completed" task
                              squares just to double check<br>
                                  nothing was missed even if you do not
                              feel experienced enough to<br>
                                  "Validate" a task square.<br>
                              <br>
                                  This is especially true for projects
                              where we have made a call for<br>
                                  more mappers on the email list or via
                              twitter. Double and triple<br>
                                  checks to make sure the mapping in the
                              instructions is actually<br>
                                  complete really helps in the process
                              and gets the people on the<br>
                                  ground the best data we can possible
                              generate for them.<br>
                              <br>
                                  Cheers,<br>
                                  Blake<br>
                              <br>
                                 
                              _______________________________________________<br>
                                  HOT mailing list<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org"
                            target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a></a>
                          <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org"
                            target="_blank">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot"
                            target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><br>
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                          <o:p></o:p></p>
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_______________________________________________<br>
                              HOT mailing list<br>
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org"
                                target="_blank">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot"
                            target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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            _______________________________________________<br>
            HOT mailing list<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot"
              target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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