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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">John,<br>
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I think we could do with more information on LearnOSM - the
current content is <a
href="http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/review/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/review/">http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/review/</a></a>
& a couple of mentions in the Tasking Manager section.<br>
<br>
I'm sure there is more information in other sources as well as the
wiki link <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data</a><br>
<br>
If you and a couple of other people could put a guide together
& run it by a few people (Training Working Group?), I'd be
happy to take the resulting document & format the text to
place it on LearnOSM. Grab a few screenshots as well - I'll do the
formatting, but I don't have time to actually write the text at
the moment - I can cope with copy & paste & then format
the outcome. <br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
<br>
On 11/02/16 18:29, Russell Deffner wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Validation
is a ‘beast’ of a discussion that in my opinion has been
addressed in two parts: teaching/training validators and
technical changes in the Tasking Manager. I for one
completely support building a ‘white-list’ option (or
otherwise the option to ‘appoint’ validators) into the TM;
however don’t want to ‘spam’ the list too much, so I think
this is the ‘most current’ and on-point issue in github: <a
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href="https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599">https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599</a></a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">However,
on the training side of things; we have built a
‘higher-level’ type of course for validation here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://courses.hotosm.org/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://courses.hotosm.org/">http://courses.hotosm.org/</a></a>
but it is specific to HOT Disaster Mapping; there has been
talk about a module for ‘general’ validation on LearnOSM,
and Nick or someone closer involved with the Training
Working Group can probably tell you more about that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In
either case, I think there is plenty of room for
improvement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">=Russ<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Nick Allen [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nick.allen.54@gmail.com">mailto:nick.allen.54@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> john whelan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [HOT] How newer mappers can help a lot
with the validation process<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>There is a wiki article at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>It needs updating. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Nick (OSM=Tallguy)<br>
my phone is responsible for any spelling mistakes!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11 Feb 2016 15:49, "john whelan" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">In
there somewhere in a wiki or some such where we can
document validation, what works and why and what to
look for? Perhaps put down some sort of service level
agreement ie after validation we are only looking for
what is requested in the instructions and for a JOSM
validotian to be run. We expect 97% of settlements to
be mapped type thing? That way people who wish to
validate have something to feel confident about.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">We
need to get more people into validation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Cheerio
John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11 February 2016 at 09:56, Jo <<a
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href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com">winfixit@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">If
such a volunteer becomes more confident after a
while, they shouldn't hesitate to actually validate
the task, if all was mapped well and they didn't
have to add/change much.<br>
<br>
When I look at finished tiles, I start with the
intention to validate it. If I have to do too much
work on it, I will sometimes simply unlock once
again, either leaving a note it's actually complete
now.<br>
If there is still more work than I have time for at
that time, it's better to "invalidate", so another
mapper knows where more work is needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Polyglot<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2016-02-11 14:47 GMT+01:00
Blake Girardot <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">bgirardot@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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That is a good point John, if anyone does a
second look to map in missing buildings in a
"completed" task square you should leave a
comment on the task square that says you
looked over the completed task square and
filled in all the missing buildings you could
find.<br>
<br>
For sure it is not a waste of time to review
completed task squares, but I agree, it
probably only needs one going over before
validation.<br>
<br>
In addition, this is a very helpful way for
new mappers to become better mappers and
contribute to an urgent priority project to
get done well and fast.<br>
<br>
Tiny task squares help, but stuff still gets
missed and often we don't get the validation
stage completed in time, no matter how
important it is so an informal review makes a
big difference if that is what a volunteer
wants to do and can contribute.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Blake<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2/11/2016 2:33 PM, john whelan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm not sure this is the
best use of our very limited number of<br>
mappers. Just scanning a tile takes time, so
the optimum use of mapper<br>
time is to have them scan once when they map
and have a validator scan once.<br>
<br>
For a productivity point of view its better to
have new mappers split<br>
the tiles twice and map a tiny tile completely
than have twenty of them<br>
go over the same area. From the same point of
view its better to have<br>
them map where we have good imagery than map
where quote "You may have<br>
to squint a bit". Mapping whilst squinting
takes more time to map the<br>
same area than mapping where the imagery is
good. No matter where they<br>
map it will be useful to someone if not a
short term MSF or American Red<br>
Cross project and to be honest if something
like Ebola crops up having<br>
fairly good mapping of existing highways and
villages in place before<br>
you start helps those projects in the field at
least plan out what and<br>
where.<br>
<br>
Cheerio John<br>
<br>
On 10 February 2016 at 10:28, Blake Girardot
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">bgirardot@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi all,<br>
<br>
I just want to mention, that new
mappers can really help with the<br>
validation process by doing what they
typically do: Map in roads and<br>
buildings but into "Completed" task
squares.<br>
<br>
You do not need to mark a task square
"Validated", but just<br>
reviewing the completed squares and
filling in missing things or<br>
fixing up buildings that might not be
mapped very well (squaring up<br>
the rectangular buildings :) is
immensely helpful.<br>
<br>
I wrote a short OSM Diary entry that
says basically the same thing:<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bgirardot/diary/36235"
target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bgirardot/diary/36235</a><br>
<br>
I just thought I would mention it
because if you see projects on the<br>
Tasking Manager that look "done" just
know you can always help a bit<br>
more by reviewing "Completed" task
squares just to double check<br>
nothing was missed even if you do not
feel experienced enough to<br>
"Validate" a task square.<br>
<br>
This is especially true for projects
where we have made a call for<br>
more mappers on the email list or via
twitter. Double and triple<br>
checks to make sure the mapping in the
instructions is actually<br>
complete really helps in the process
and gets the people on the<br>
ground the best data we can possible
generate for them.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Blake<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
HOT mailing list<o:p></o:p></p>
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<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org"
target="_blank">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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_______________________________________________<br>
HOT mailing list<br>
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_______________________________________________<br>
HOT mailing list<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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