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<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; ">Hi John,</span><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; ">I guess that </span><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; ">there is a </span><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; ">clear </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">point that you </span><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; ">menti</span><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; ">o</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">ned:</span><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; "> </span><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; ">"a validator's role is more to ensure that the major requirements of the project are met and guidelines followed."</span><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; "> </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; ">The issue of the huts size is a tricky one, and as you say, it depends on how quickly the maps are needed</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "> by the relief agencies</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">.</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "> F</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">or simply the number of huts</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">,</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "> </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">inaccurate sizes may be acceptable </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">for a fast </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">delivery</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "> but if populations are to be estimated from the size of the huts, data </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">would then </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">been lost. For the validator to either invalidate or remap, is problem, but I guess that this relies on the mapper understanding the task descriptions. Should not the task description explicitly say </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">something like </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">"correct size and shape of the dwellings to be </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">interpreted</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">"</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">,</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "> for example.</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "> The other issue here is the scale at which the images are interpreted. If someone maps at a too smaller scale (perhaps for a fast delivery), then potential accuracy could be lost.</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; ">Thanks for highlighting these two links:</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa"><span
class="15" style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; color:rgb(0,0,255);
text-decoration:underline ;font-family:'Calibri'; "><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Afric">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Afric</a></span><span
class="15" style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; color:rgb(0,0,255);
text-decoration:underline ;font-family:'Calibri'; ">a</span></a></span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features"><span
class="15" style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; color:rgb(0,0,255);
text-decoration:underline ;font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features</a></span></a></span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; ">Validating as the project goes along from your point of view seems the good way. This is particularly </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">relevant</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "> with </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">mentoring</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">, and </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">valuable</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "> feed back to mappers at the time. Without feedback, new mapper might lose interest, as they want to know if they have done a good job or not, or if they have a question, they need an answer. As you say, this also gets the projects done faster.</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">Getting more validators, you suggest some form of recognition, this is why</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "> </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">I thought for that "badge" idea. Still, perhaps someone else can think of a better idea. </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">My final idea might be, if the </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">HOT team kn</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">e</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">w of interested and capable validators, perhaps they could invit</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">e them</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "> to support some projects </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">as </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">validat</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">ors</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">. Being asked for support due to one's skills, is often a reward in itself.</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">Thanks for your views and ideas on this subject, it has opened my eyes to the issues and challenges of validating, as well as other issues of mapping in general.</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; ">Regards,</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
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font-family:'Calibri'; ">Graham</span><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p0" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span
style="mso-spacerun:'yes'; font-size:12.0000pt;
font-family:'Calibri'; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/4/2016 19:55, john whelan wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAJ-Ex1F2ty5HTzaodDOu9fUAExqZWrRo7Njw5jf90=7mU8SRuA@mail.gmail.com"
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I tend
to think in shades of grey rather than black and white. In
OSM there are different mappers, each mapper interprets things
slightly differently so two mappers will rarely give exactly
the same result with the same inputs. <br>
<br>
For example one might like to add large buildings, the other
will ignore them. Both are correct but are different
interpretations. Which to my mind means a validator's role is
more to ensure that the major requirements of the project are
met and guidelines followed.<br>
<br>
One difficulty is the size of huts. For many mappers
<crtl>c and <crtl>v is a quick way to map these.
However there are ways to analyse the size of the hut then
estimate how many people are living in it. Do we expect
validators to check the size of the hut mapped is the same as
the size in the image? Then do we invalidate or remap?<br>
<br>
A particular project may have a deadline to meet, NGO staff
flying out for example. In which case they may wish to reduce
the information requested to the bare essential minimum in
order to get the project completed before the deadline.
However many NGOs etc will make use of the map at some point
in time in the future so additional information may be useful
and in any event there will be some economic advantages to the
locals in having the area mapped.<br>
<br>
We use different standards for mapping in different parts of
the world and whilst local knowledge helps it is not essential
for HOT mapping. What is essential is following the local
agreed standards ie <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa</a>
and some very experienced mappers may not be aware of them.<br>
<br>
JOSM / iD / Potlatch / OSMand amongst others are all valid
methods for entering map data. JOSM does some validation
which catches a fair number of basic errors before uploading
and its building plugin is unbeaten for quickly and accurately
drawing in buildings. It is my editor of choice. However it
needs to be installed and that includes JAVA. JAVA has been
listed in the past as being a security hole by US government
so for some corporate machines installing it is not an
option. Also there can be some issues with Apple computers
and JAVA. Additionally installing it is more complex than
just opening up a browser and using iD. So in the same way
that some people freeze when asked to add two numbers together
so some have problems even thinking about installing JOSM.
JOSM is also very rich and I don’t use all its features so
when you train with JOSM you need to train people just to use
the features they need. If its just highways and settlements
these are fairly minimal. It does have the advantage of being
able to tag anything so you can point them back to <a
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href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features</a></a>
which helps with consistency and standard ways of tagging.<br>
<br>
Different people think in different ways about validation. To
me in order to reduce the number of errors being made in the
first place I prefer to validate as the project is done. This
is a form of coaching the mappers. Others take the view of
map it all first then validate. Fine except if you’re coming
in to validate two months after the mapping its not really
worthwhile giving feedback to a mapper about something they
did two months ago.<br>
<br>
The worst thing I’ve seen is a new mapper validating other’s
work, select a task at random would occasionally suggest this
but then you really don’t know if the mapping is good or not.
In Nepal it was so bad we just invalidated everything in sight
and revalidated.<br>
<br>
I often work with others validating and if its working against
time then we delegate, check this etc and any queries bug me.
I’ll go in and pull in much of the project into JOSM
afterwards and give it a more through check. Are the correct
tags being used? A common problem building=yes being used for
a group of buildings. Highway=pedestrian and there are a few
others. <crtl>i in JOSM can give you a fair bit of
information about the item.<br>
<br>
How do we get more validators? I’m not sure, in general most
mappers with 300 plus edits are ready to validate. However
I’ve seen some mappers when I validate their work consistently
miss 5% of settlements. I’ve seen others some of whom have a
background in GIS and I’m happy if they validate after seeing
them map a dozen tiles. I think we need to value them more
and give them some sort of recognition for the work they do.
On a couple of projects now we’ve validated as the mapping was
done and the project gets completed very quickly. You’ve
probably noticed that a project gets about two weeks in the
limelight and if it hasn’t made good progress in those two
weeks it lingers on unfinished. Get a validator in there
early and you get more mapping with the feedback and you get
more of a team spirit to complete the project.<br>
<br>
To my mind all projects could benefit from a validator but we
don’t have enough and coaxing them onto new projects is the
most effective use we can make of the ones we have.<br>
<br>
Cheerio John<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 April 2016 at 22:07, graham <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Thanks for you
feedback John and Blake,<br>
<br>
<br>
I have tried to pull out some of the points raised here,
for my understanding and perhaps for others: <br>
<br>
<br>
There are different standards of mapping and to some
extent different standards of validation needed, depending
on the project.<br>
<br>
In-country knowledge of the country can effect the quality
of mapping/validation.<br>
<br>
A good mapper does not mean that their are a good
validator, different skill sets are needed.<br>
<br>
The capacity to map/validate is also dependant to some
degree on the the quality of the video system and screen
one is using. <br>
<br>
There seems to be a difference of quality of mapping
depending on the software used: JOSM vs. iD. Is this an
issue to be addressed?<br>
<br>
Was it suggested that coaching is a good way for people to
become good validators?<br>
<br>
Certain projects could do with a certified validator but
naturally to have a "badge" is not for everybody.<br>
<br>
A link to validating guidelines <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data</a><br>
<br>
Please say if I missed and misrepresented your points.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Graham<br>
<br>
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On 5/4/2016 21:49, john whelan wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I
think the point was that that there are different
standards of mapping and to some extent validation
as well. In Nepal we had time and resource
constraints and I must confess I took some short
cuts and didn't do a through a job as could have
been done. Sometimes it's a judgement call and I
think as you and I have discussed sometimes some
validators do an excellent job but check rather more
than either of us would when validating.<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I've
even heard a whisper of a validator taking one look
at someone's work and zapping it and just remapping
as it was quicker but of course that never happens
in OSM and would never be documented. <br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio
John<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 April 2016 at 09:36,
Blake Girardot <span dir="ltr"><<a
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wrote:<br>
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On 4/5/2016 3:15 PM, john whelan wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"> Blake thought my
methods of validation in Nepal left much to be<br>
desired.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</span> That sounds a little strong :) I forget
the question I had or the comment, but after
talking with you I was good with it and agreed is
all I remember.<span><br>
<br>
>I agreed but given that 70% of the mappers
were new even the<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"> basic validation I
did improved the data quality quickly.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</span> This I 100% agree with.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Blake<br>
<br>
<br>
I also had a<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div> couple of mappers who were visually
checking tiles and finding 30% more<br>
buildings sometimes. Which comes back to
the quality of the video<br>
system and screen you’re using. “Why does
your laptop show the image in<br>
JOSM better than mine in iD?” The lap top I
was using was an old Dell<br>
professional grade one and my desktop screen
at home shows an even<br>
clearer image. So the equipment the
validator has available might be an<br>
important factor on the quality of the
validation.<br>
<br>
To me validation is a form of coaching being
good at something doesn’t<br>
mean you make a good coach. To me
Maperthons are a source of a dozen<br>
new mappers and really questionable data.
The faster we can get in and<br>
give feedback the better. When you need to
add 50 settlements to a tile<br>
it takes resources and to do this I’ve used
sensible mappers with a<br>
month’s experience and delegated. If its
just highway=unclassified and<br>
landuse=residential that’s fine. I’ve also
seen mappers with a thousand<br>
edits to their name who don’t make good
validators, the project asks for<br>
settlements and connecting highways, they
like to map all the tracks as<br>
well. I’ve seen tiles invalidated for
missing things that were not<br>
requested in the project instructions.<br>
<br>
It also needs tact, a European mapper who
has been mapping locally will<br>
almost certainly use the wrong tags in
Africa for highways. They’re<br>
high quality mappers of the type Africa
needs but invalidating the tile<br>
because the tags are wrong may not help with
the retention rates.<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data</a><br>
is a start, I’m not certain I agree with
every statement but it’s a good<br>
start.<br>
<br>
There is a problem with iD mappers they tend
to have more crossing ways<br>
and highways that almost meet than others.
Probably because there is no<br>
easy way to check for these in iD. So whilst
I would comment JOSM<br>
validation detected six crossing ways
normally, if I know they’re an iD<br>
editor I just correct and don’t comment.<br>
<br>
If it’s a more complex project, map and tag
everything in sight I don’t<br>
even bother validating these days. I’ll let
someone else with more<br>
experience than I go and do it. I only have
8,000+ edits to my name.<br>
These projects certainly could do with a
certified validator and to be<br>
honest I have no interest in getting a
badge.<br>
<br>
Cheerio John<br>
<br>
On 5 April 2016 at 05:37, graham <<a
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Dear Hi,____<br>
<br>
__ __<span><br>
<br>
With the subject of validators in that
last few emails, and past emails thread
discussing how to know when some one can start
validating or not. How much experience does
one need? One may think that they are good,
but other may not etc..<br>
</span> ____<br>
<br>
__ __<span><br>
<br>
So, I thought to just suggest an idea. I
am not sure what people might think about it,
maybe it has already been discussed before.<br>
</span> Maybe the issue has been solved
already.____<br>
<br>
__ __<br>
<br>
The idea:____<br>
<br>
I think that maybe if there was a process to
become officially recognised as an"Validator",
then it would be a "position" worth achieving,
it would make it a challenge. For now, I do not
think that there is any solid pre-requisite to
be a validator?____<br>
<br>
__ __<br>
<br>
Below I am suggesting a potential avenue to
become an official validator:____<br>
<br>
__ __<br>
<br>
1) To complete a minimum number of tiles, as
proof of commitment to HOT and direct experience
with HOT mapping (regardless of one's
professional career), then 2) to take a short
test of proficiency.____<br>
<br>
__ __<br>
<br>
Details:____<br>
<br>
1) Can members the HOT team determine the
number of tiles each user has completed? I know
that more that one user can complete one tile,
but perhaps if one user completes a high
percentage of a tile (of all the points, line,
and polygons), that would be considered a
"complete tile" for this purpose. As for another
users then reworking the tile, this is another
discussion point.____<br>
<br>
__ __<br>
<br>
2)The test might be to review a number of
tiles from previous projects and they need to
comment on the quality of the digitalisation and
complete any reworking that is needed. A minimum
number of tiles need to be correct, (to a
certain standard), in order to pass the test. In
each test, a random subset of tiles for a
complete selection of tiles could be used, so
that not cheating could occur.____<br>
<br>
__ __<br>
<br>
__ __<br>
<br>
Additionally, these official validators
could have a symbol next to their users names.
This way, when a mapper asks for advise
regarding their mapping, the mapper would know
if a "validator" is responding or not.____<br>
<br>
__ __<br>
<br>
Just an idea...____<br>
<br>
__ __<br>
<br>
Regards,____<br>
<br>
__ __<br>
<br>
Graham____<br>
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