<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">For 95% of the buildings JOSM building_tool plugin does a very nice job very quickly. Three clicks and you're done.<br><br>The training material for HOT and learnOSM has improved enormously since Nepal.<br><br>I’d probably split the world into three. Mappers who started in OSM or who have built up experience in OSM and know where map features is. Individuals mapping by themselves, they have to read the instructions to get started. These I really don’t mind spending the time giving feedback to, they’re likely to come back and map again. Then we get the maperthons.<br><br>People who organise maperthons and OSM have different objectives. OSM is more or less map accurately following the guidelines in map features. I say more or less because there is a very wide range of opinion within OSM on every matter under the sun.<br><br>Maperthons group themselves into two groups. The first is organised often by a group such as MSF and they have training and handouts plus experienced mappers around to assist new mappers. Quite often they get returning mappers and they can be nudged towards JOSM. They are concerned both with mapping, building community (drinking coffee together) and spreading the word on how wonderful MSF or whomever it is running the show is. If I notice problems when validating these not a big deal its comment the mapper and bug the project manager with a bit of feedback. Often they’ll have simplified projects such as just map the highways and nothing else together with simplified instructions. If you accept that 60% of the mappers will only map the once then iD takes less time to get started than installing JOSM.<br><br>The second are much more difficult. These often run by what I call social groups of one type or another, short attention spans, real men don’t need instructions. If you’re lucky they’ll have a handout, if not well anything goes and next week we’ll do something entirely different. If you invalidate so what, 99% won’t be back. You’re just left with a mess. A group descended on a project I was watching as a validator recently. I wanted to contact the organiser as it was obvious they had no training at all but no one knew who they were. The project manager certainly didn’t and that’s where the question comes from how do we handle these situations?<br><br>One tile I added ninety two settlements and about fifty highways to a tile when validating, the second tile by the same mapper just got invalidated when I saw four large settlements missed at the first glance. In the building projects the numbers are much higher. It’s not unusual to see a hundred buildings on a tile and many will not be square, I still see quite a few area=yes rather than building=yes although that is improving.<br><br>The other problem is validation. Mappers who haven’t completed a single tile validating. Go in behind them and you see all the unsquared buildings, crossing highways etc.<br><br>Prevention is usually cheaper than remedial work. I have great hopes for the iD building plugin, but in the mean time the question remains what to do about the existing unsquared buildings?<br><br>Whilst going in with the JOSM todo list plugin and examining every building by a particular mapper is the ideal solution given the numbers involved do we accept select the buildings by a mapper on a tile then hit the square button?<br><br>It is a data quality issue but do we even care if they are unsquared or not?<br><br>Cheerio John</div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 April 2016 at 16:25, Paul Norman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com" target="_blank">penorman@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On 4/14/2016 1:16 PM, Mike Thompson wrote:<br>
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<div>Those are both things that I already tell new mappers. But
they type 's' and think they have made a square building. We
can talk about how that they should notice that nothing changed,
but no one has ever asked me "why doesn't the 's' key work?"
Perhaps they think that the squaring happens behind the scene
and isn't visible? Who knows. Below are some of the results
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They're not attempting to square the buildings, which indicates a
problem with how they're being instructed. Both iD and JOSM would
have squared some of them with no problems, so switching editors or
other technical solutions won't help here.<br>
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If all of those buildings have square corners in reality, there's a
second problem that some are so crudely drawn that neither iD or
JOSM will come up with a sensible result when attempting to do so.<br>
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