<p dir="ltr">+1</p>
<p dir="ltr">Then inital crap could anyway encourage locale mappers to make it better and hopefully one day cadastre will open data.<br>
Besides, I've seen lots of real non-squared buildings which would risk to be modified by unsupervised mass editings. Furthermore non-squared stuff is useful anyway.. Ie to count, localize, identify pre & post disaster sites.</p>
<p dir="ltr">IMHO priority now is checking for completeness and publish example pics for learning damage detection </p>
<p dir="ltr">... And, why not, stimulate ID programmers to add square feature button :-)<br></p>
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Are non squared building really a big deal, apart from visually? Can we<br>
not live at least initially with building as traced?<br>
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Chris<br>
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On 14/04/16 at 07:42am, john whelan wrote:<br>
> I think we are agreed that squaring individual buildings is a hassle for<br>
> the validators.<br>
><br>
> Do I hear that selecting all buildings with less than 7 nodes and<br>
> squaring/resquaring them all at once is acceptable although not ideal?<br>
><br>
> Thanks John<br>
><br>
> On 14 April 2016 at 04:15, Jo <<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com">winfixit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > It would be far better to add a tool comparable to buildings-tools plugin<br>
> > to iD. We should have proposed that for GSoC2016... well, maybe next year.<br>
> ><br>
> > Jo<br>
> ><br>
> > 2016-04-14 9:47 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed <<a href="mailto:suzan@suzanreed.com">suzan@suzanreed.com</a>>:<br>
> ><br>
> >> JOSM is the tool to use, I agree. However I did become somewhat of an iD<br>
> >> power user and so I just tried to square a number of polygons at once<br>
> >> rather than one at a time. I tried many variations including selecting all<br>
> >> of them and then trying to apply the “s” tool and grouping them. Nothing<br>
> >> worked. Maybe the iD team could add that to iD? Then new mappers could then<br>
> >> square all their buildings in one go when the mistake is pointed out. It<br>
> >> would be quite useful. Squaring buildings in either iD or JOSM is a<br>
> >> thankless and tedious task.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Cheers!<br>
> >> Suzan<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Apr 13, 2016, at 11:01 PM, Ralf Stephan <<a href="mailto:gtrwst9@gmail.com">gtrwst9@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> I might be missing something but what's wrong with selecting all<br>
> >> buildings in JOSM via Search (check if there are huts selected or 45-degree<br>
> >> buildings of course) and then do a mass orthogonalization? That would be<br>
> >> part of a validation workflow and could even be automated.<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 7:48 AM Jo <<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com">winfixit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> If you want a building squared at 45 degrees in JOSM, for some reason,<br>
> >> you can start with a closed way with 8 nodes, then use the circle tool.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Or you can press 'a' twice, allowing you to add the next part of a way at<br>
> >> 15 degree angle intervals. It's possible to create really nice geometric<br>
> >> shapes using this method.<br>
> >><br>
> >> One has to know the tool one is working with.<br>
> >><br>
> >> When people insist on working with iD, it's necessary to tell them (over<br>
> >> and over again) about the importance of doing the extra step of squaring<br>
> >> the rectangular buildings. For one thing, it makes using JOSM's extrude<br>
> >> tool easier, if it's needed to improve the building.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I understand that, as a validator, it's extremely tedious to square all<br>
> >> those buildings, even when using the todo plugin and pressing ]q]q]q]q]q]<br>
> >> hundreds of times. You could invalidate the tiles which contain mostly<br>
> >> unsquared buildings. Or you could just leave them alone, post a remark to<br>
> >> the user and validate the tile anyway. Better that than becoming burned out<br>
> >> as a validator.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I've been trying to get people to understand how much work it is to<br>
> >> validate their tiles, when buildings are not squared by creating<br>
> >> screencasts and posting a link to it in the comment field. This was rather<br>
> >> effective, but it still is rather time consuming and there are always new<br>
> >> users coming in, which, for some reason, were not trained with JOSM the<br>
> >> power tool, but with iD instead.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Anyway, those screencasts were also meant as a way to show people the<br>
> >> advantages of using JOSM, but I don't know if I have been very successful<br>
> >> at getting them to start using it. It's hard to make people switch to<br>
> >> something new, which is why I'll be teaching only JOSM, this Saturday (also<br>
> >> because I don't know iD all that well, ofc). I failed to follow up, as I<br>
> >> moved on to other projects that gave me more satisfaction (as a validator).<br>
> >><br>
> >> Polyglot<br>
> >><br>
> >> 2016-04-14 4:15 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed <<a href="mailto:suzan@suzanreed.com">suzan@suzanreed.com</a>>:<br>
> >> How about showing people how to map a building and square it right at the<br>
> >> beginning of mapping? It’s all one motion for me.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Just a suggestion!<br>
> >><br>
> >> Suzan<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Clifford Snow <<a href="mailto:clifford@snowandsnow.us">clifford@snowandsnow.us</a>><br>
> >> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >> wrote:<br>
> >> Seeing 200 unsquared buildings by one mapper on a tile makes me think<br>
> >> they weren't using JOSM and the building-tool. I could be wrong, the same<br>
> >> mapper also left behind three area=yes squares that just happened to be the<br>
> >> same as a building image. Again it is perfectly possible to do this in<br>
> >> JOSM to draw such a shape and tag it area=yes, though why anyone with JOSM<br>
> >> and the building_tool plugin would do such a thing I can't imagine.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I'm asking a pragmatic question given that I'm seeing so many unsquared<br>
> >> buildings when validating is it essential they be squared? and if so how<br>
> >> do we get squared buildings?<br>
> >><br>
> >> From my experience with hosting Missing Maps and HOT mapathons many of<br>
> >> the mappers are first time contributors. We try to get them mapping as<br>
> >> quickly as possible. After a period of time we introduce new techniques,<br>
> >> such as squaring buildings and copy paste. The behavior you observed may be<br>
> >> the lack of training. If its possible to find out if the mapper attended an<br>
> >> event and if so who organized it to give gentle constructive feedback to<br>
> >> the host. (Hopefully it wasn't one of ours)<br>
> >><br>
> >> Clifford<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
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