<div dir="ltr">Great job Fred, glad that you've managed to get things going on your own.<div>When if you have the imagery available please feel free to let us know and we can make sure it's available on OpenAerialMap. </div><div><br></div><div>Stay safe and we wish you the best.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:34 PM, FredM <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:frmoine@gmail.com" target="_blank">frmoine@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Oups, <br>
</p>
<p>Didn't read all your message. I have seen my name but I don't
have time for that.<br>
<br>
Could you stop to use it as I have no time to cross check what you
said. Fred can talk for Fred : )</p>
<p>Just came back from an assessment in Jeremie for the gouvernment.
We have huge work to do. So I am right now with the CNIGS and
civil protection. In the field we flew drone for planification (
Warehouse, fix the port, damage assessment, etc...)</p>
<p>Let me know if you have more UAV resource, For now we have 2 ebee
and 3 quadecopter. + Satellite imagery. <br>
</p>
<p>Drone imagery is useful, we are using it in our NGO to promote
technology and use it for local community. Not for the business or
the storytelling. <br>
</p>
<p>Only for operational purpose,... far away from the "Humanitarian
circus" or something else. <br>
</p>
<p>All the best FredM</p><div><div class="h5">
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<div class="m_3093223628944575354moz-cite-prefix">On 09/10/2016 01:58, Dale Kunce wrote:<br>
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<div>Hey everyone,</div>
<div>First thanks to everyone that has contributed to the base
mapping thus far. Many humanitarian groups including the Red
Cross, Canadian Military, and the UN. I would much rather be
mapping than responding to the copious emails but I wanted to
try and end the discussion so we can get back to mapping.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There has been a lot of chatter about UAV imagery the
disaster imagery charter on the list serve with many
accusations flying back and forth. I in my role as the
activation lead for Hurricane Matthew, Vice-President of HOT,
and GIS Lead for the American Red Cross see no value in trying
to coordinate UAV use in Haiti. As has been said by Blake and
Cristiano both of whom know more about this subject than I HOT
should focus on the things we do best and leave coordination
of UAV use and operation to UVAviators.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes HOT in 2010 was different and HOT members took
extraordinary measures to update the map for humanitarians.
Due largely to those efforts and later ones in the
Philippines, West Africa, Nepal, and many others HOT has
become a trusted source of map data immediately following a
disaster. Groups like the ones mentioned above have deeply
integrated into their work and trust HOT and its amazing
volunteers to provide the map data. One of the reasons HOT is
trusted is because of our consistency. We provide a very
reliable service without causing a lot of drama for the large
humanitarian organizations. Throughout my time responding to
disasters over the last few years consistency is paramount
during large scale disasters. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Comparing the airspace and subsequent use of UAVs in
Tanzania, during normal "blue skies" times to the crowded
chaotic airspace in Haiti shows a lack of basic understanding
of the complexity of modern humanitarian operations. If I were
empowered, which I'm not even close to being able to do, to
simply put someone in a car or on a helicopter and send them
into the affected areas I wouldn't. Given the reports from the
area from UN, Red Cross, and other NGOs I would send food,
water, and shelter kits. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>HOT has declined to support Fred's effort not because we
don't think he has the capability but rather because HOT
should and must be consistent in our work. In fact, Fred flies
drones professionally and is currently under contract to fly a
drone mission in Canaan for American Red Cross prior to
Hurricane Matthew, hence he was in Haiti during the storm. We
must understand our place during large scale international
disasters, we must know the limits of our work, and we must
not put the organization at risk without ample time to study
and think about those risks.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lastly, as things have changed in disasters in the last few
years the need to activate the imagery disaster charter has
largely gone away. HOT has fantastic relationships with
imagery providers and governments. All are often happy to
provide imagery when they are capable of doing so.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you would like to contribute to the current mapping in
Haiti please grab a task at <a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org" target="_blank">http://tasks.hotosm.org</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 3:00 PM,
Cristiano Giovando <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cristiano.giovando@hotosm.org" target="_blank">cristiano.giovando@hotosm.org</a><wbr>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Nicolas,<br>
<br>
As you well know HOT's strength is in pre-event baseline
mapping. We<br>
have done some damage assessment and post-disaster mapping
in the<br>
past, but it's not easy and with controversial results.<br>
<br>
That being said, I'm sure other responding organizations who
request<br>
HOT baseline mapping support may still find it useful to
have high<br>
resolution imagery of post event areas, although limited to
the range<br>
of a small UAV. I'm not in a position to speak for them.<br>
<br>
Again - and I'm asking you personally, please - please let's
avoid<br>
confrontation, insinuations, and bring up past arguments.
It's<br>
absolutely not the time. If you care about Haiti and HOT,
please try<br>
to engage with this community with a constructive, positive
and humble<br>
approach. Long emails take effort and thinking, which now
would be<br>
much better spent in actually doing (mapping?).<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Cristiano<br>
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On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM, nicolas chavent<br>
<<a href="mailto:nicolas.chavent@gmail.com" target="_blank">nicolas.chavent@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Hi Blake,<br>
><br>
> Yes Fred and the Haitian dronists on the ground
have skills and extensive<br>
> experience but little resources to keep up their
work; this did not prevent<br>
> them from doing what they are good at. This can
limit the span of their<br>
> action at a time where humanitarian actors need
local capacities to generate<br>
> post disaster UAV imagery as well as satellite
imagery to carry out post<br>
> disaster needs assessment. Support to their work
can span from small<br>
> logistics support (rides in UNHAS, helis, plane and
cars). This is quite<br>
> common to get such support in any sudden onset
disaster responses when<br>
> GIS/UAV resources (leading to high impact for IM
and decision making)<br>
> already undersized are rare, too rare.<br>
><br>
> When HOT started its first field missions, we were
exactly in the same<br>
> situation as Fred. Skilled individuals (less
experimented though) with<br>
> adequate equipment, but with little operational
resources. We did good.<br>
> Without the above mentioned forms of support,
though our impact would have<br>
> been limited and the course of action for OMS in
Haiti and in other<br>
> countries different.<br>
><br>
> With the above in mind, it's weird to read that the
president of HOT US Inc<br>
> stating that the only HOT US Inc support for Fred
and this collective of<br>
> local Haitian dronists is only a well known list of
UAV groups and a pointer<br>
> to UN OCHA. That's of no help.<br>
><br>
> UAV are used in Tanzania by HOT US Inc in
Development and Disaster Risk<br>
> Reduction (DRR) contexts [1]. Thanks to multi years
of UAV activities in<br>
> Haiti, this country is no longer a terra incognita
when it comes to drones<br>
> and there is no such thing as "UAV missions in
disaster zones with<br>
> notoriously complicated airspaces" but an area
where it's possible to<br>
> operate and make the difference we ought to the
Haitians and to the Haitians<br>
> mappers/dronists who acquired part of their skills
via HOT US Inc and OSM<br>
> folks.<br>
><br>
> Do we have to understand that HOT US Inc will not
help with simple<br>
> facilitation work with partner relief organizations
working in Haiti, some<br>
> of those orgs (ARC, MSF etc) having representatives
in the membership or the<br>
> Board ?<br>
><br>
> Given where HOT US Inc comes from and ironically in
Haiti, this would mean a<br>
> lot in terms of the losses of our
operational/organizational ethos and would<br>
> raise questions about the reality of
support/empowerment schemes to local<br>
> communities or possible conflict of interest
between members/Board members<br>
> of HOT US Inc and other organizations.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Nicolas<br>
><br>
> [1] : <a href="https://hotosm.org/projects/tanzania" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hotosm.org/projects/ta<wbr>nzania</a><br>
><br>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Blake Girardot <<a href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com" target="_blank">bgirardot@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Nico,<br>
>><br>
>> As you say, you and Fred have extensive
experience in Hait and working<br>
>> with international partners in Haiti. Fred is
actually on the ground<br>
>> in Haiti. You and he would be the best to
coordinate him flying<br>
>> missions.<br>
>><br>
>> This is not something HOT does, we do not
coordinate or push for UAV<br>
>> missions in disaster zones with notoriously
complicated airspaces. We<br>
>> rely on, and UAV missions need to be handled,
by professionals, which<br>
>> you and Fred are, so I expect you should be
able to handle making the<br>
>> proper arrangements and coordinations.<br>
>><br>
>> I already suggested who to contact, UAviators,
they have coordinated<br>
>> UAV missions in disaster zones in the past
numerous times in<br>
>> conjunction with UN-OCHA. That is HOT's
contact, I passed it on to you<br>
>> already.<br>
>><br>
>> This is all HOT can do, except eagerly
anticipate the imagery Fred's<br>
>> missions generate.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Blake<br>
>><br>
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