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<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">A few months ago the Training
Group was working on a short document "How to Map in 5 Easy Steps". It fell
through the cracks. It described the basics of mapping in short sentences
and used pictures, and included how to draw and square a building, how to
draw a road and tag it, etc. If completed it would be a great way to get
better data from new mappers. </p>
<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">Suzan</p>
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style="color: black; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; margin: 10pt 0;">On
October 13, 2016 7:43:07 AM Autre Planete <autreplanete@gmail.com>
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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Greets!<br><br></div>Sorry to barge in.
...but what Mr.Phil says is really true in the case of new
mappers.<br><br></div>Cheers:)<br></div>Autre<br></div><div
class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at
7:08 PM, john whelan <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote
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dir="ltr"><span class="m_-5911529153438997980gmail-"><div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"
class="gmail_default">I think we have to accept we need new mappers and we
need them to be motivated so mapping projects that do not seem important
may not be so motivating. The Statistics Canada project is interesting as
in the longer term I think we should see a pool of experienced mappers
coming out of that but it is a longer term project and its interesting to
see a different approach with more <span>emphasis</span> on data quality.
We rarely discuss the needs of our clients ie those who use the maps in the
discussion group.<br><br></div><div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"
class="gmail_default">Mapping one on one with new mappers you can train
them fairly quickly but it still takes twenty minutes or so. With a group
I think you have to accept you have them there for two/three hours, 50%
will never map again, and they want to start mapping now. What's the
guy at the front talking about OpenStreetMap and boring stuff for? Asking
them to train for two hours first and get a badge is a sort of
non-starter. Ask me to go through training for validation and I'm more
likely to go off and play in Blender. They are volunteers. Making the
training available to them is a different issue to making it
mandatory.<br></div><div
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class="gmail_default"><br></div><div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"
class="gmail_default">There is an issue of trust, locally the American Red
Cross has hit the headlines with their six permanent houses built in
Haiti. Divide into the money raised and its not pretty. There has been
mention of the Humanitarian Industry. There is a suggestion that the NGOs
look upon mapathons as a way of engaging the public hoping to gain
donations from them.<br></div><div
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class="gmail_default"><br></div><div
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class="gmail_default">I've long thought that many projects could have
better documentation. Why is this project important? who will use the data
that we know about? This is being addressed through the training for
project managers.<br><br></div><div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"
class="gmail_default">For a crisis certain projects will need a higher
level of expertise. I've worked on critical high priority projects
where tiles have been marked done with only 25% of the mapping done. Other
tiles had been "validated" but still left much to be desired, and
my standard of validation isn't that high.<br><br></div><div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"
class="gmail_default">Validating and giving feedback is useful. Quite a
few of the new mappers I've given feedback to are now solid mappers but
quick feedback is critical and when you get twenty or more mappers mapping
in a mapathon you can't give each the attention you'd
like.<br><br></div><div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"
class="gmail_default">By the way it doesn't seem to be just HOT mappers
who leave much to be desired. I've been looking at parts of Africa and
there are mappers there who have done a fair amount of mapping more than
500 buildings for example but still don't tag their ways and their
userid does not show up in HOT.<br><br></div><div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"
class="gmail_default">I'll leave you the thoughts but no real
solutions.<br></div><div
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class="gmail_default"><br></div><div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"
class="gmail_default">Cheerio John<br></div></span></div>
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