<p dir="ltr">Je peux juste que vous me dites si on est sur hot francophone ou pas.<br>
S'il vous plait parler en francais ou bien traduisez pour la majorite des personnes de cette liste on est pas oblige d'avoir recourt à Google translate puisqu'on est pas sur une liste anglaise<br>
Merci à vous</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 24 oct. 2016 5:35 PM, "Cristiano Giovando" <<a href="mailto:cristiano.giovando@hotosm.org">cristiano.giovando@hotosm.org</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Severin,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your comment. The goal with project #2252 is indeed to map<br>
all pre-event information, that is why I put the note to NOT map any<br>
completely destroyed or uncertain feature/geometry.<br>
<br>
The destruction shown in that image is unfortunately very graphic, but<br>
the fact that many trees have now collapsed, it allows to see features<br>
like roads and streams that were previously hidden by vegetation.<br>
<br>
I have been looking for recent (2015-2016) pre-event imagery that<br>
covers those areas (as that would be easier for baseline mapping) but<br>
unfortunately haven't found any that is better registered and more<br>
recent than Vintage/Bing (which in some areas is 2 to 4 years old).<br>
<br>
I also set the requirement for advanced image interpretation skills<br>
and provided some visual examples in the project instructions tab. Let<br>
me know if you guys see anything wrong in that approach and examples<br>
or if you think it may be too challenging for volunteers (even more<br>
experienced) to trace that imagery.<br>
<br>
Also, I mentioned that HOT will not be doing any damage assessment (in<br>
terms of grading or mapping damage), so since ProjetEOF is already<br>
engaged in that task through the UAV imagery, I thought you may want<br>
to consider this imagery as well - and that's why I offered the TMS<br>
endpoint.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Cristiano<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Severin Menard<br>
<<a href="mailto:severin.menard@gmail.com">severin.menard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> We should first consolidate pre-disaster data (through Bing + vintage<br>
> Digital Globe Imagery) before processing post-disaster data, so IMHO the two<br>
> jobs are complementary.<br>
><br>
> Sincerely,<br>
><br>
> Severin<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rod Bera <<a href="mailto:rod@goarem.org">rod@goarem.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> now we've got overlapping tasks.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/64" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://taches.<wbr>francophonelibre.org/project/<wbr>64</a><br>
>> <a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2252" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tasks.hotosm.org/<wbr>project/2252</a><br>
>><br>
>> where do we go from here?<br>
>><br>
>> This could/should have been anticipated/prevented.<br>
>><br>
>> Now we should consider trans-TM indexing, as these and other TM<br>
>> instances are probably here to last.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 24/10/16 10:07, Cristiano Giovando wrote:<br>
>> > Bonjour,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > (s'il vous plaît excuser mon anglais)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > There are three WorldView 3 images available, captured on October 10<br>
>> > over the Grand'Anse and Sud departments. These have limited cloud<br>
>> > coverage and show very dramatically the impact of Hurricane Matthew in<br>
>> > western Haiti:<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://beta.openaerialmap.org/#/-74.3994140625,18.521278249360137,10/032210312003?date=month&_k=uvs9ut" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://beta.openaerialmap.<wbr>org/#/-74.3994140625,18.<wbr>521278249360137,10/<wbr>032210312003?date=month&_k=<wbr>uvs9ut</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > We, at HOT would like to create three tasks to update all baseline<br>
>> > information as shown by those images. I noticed that you guys<br>
>> > currently have a task over the same area which is using Bing as<br>
>> > default imagery source:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <a href="http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/64" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://taches.<wbr>francophonelibre.org/project/<wbr>64</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > In order to coordinate our efforts, I would like you to consider this<br>
>> > project that I just set up and ask you to let me know if you think it<br>
>> > would make sense to publish it first, since it has that more recent<br>
>> > imagery:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2252" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tasks.hotosm.org/<wbr>project/2252</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Right now it's published with low priority, just for you to be able to<br>
>> > see it. For reference, this is the exact extent:<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://geojson.io/#id=gist:anonymous/5cfec955932472ebd1d23a01421a42c5&map=11/18.4698/-74.4193" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://geojson.io/#id=gist:<wbr>anonymous/<wbr>5cfec955932472ebd1d23a01421a42<wbr>c5&map=11/18.4698/-74.4193</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Please let me know what you think, also in terms of instructions.<br>
>> > Happy to discuss or change anything based on everyone's feedback<br>
>> > before publishing it (bumping it up to high priority).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Also, we will not be doing any damage assessment (as indicated in the<br>
>> > task), so if you guys have any need to do it, feel free to use the TMS<br>
>> > services off of OAM. Here's one to browse the same October 10 image:<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://oam-dynamic-tiler-tmp.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/57fecc6984ae75bb00ec752c/preview/#19/18.57497/-74.38157" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://oam-dynamic-tiler-tmp.<wbr>s3-website-us-east-1.<wbr>amazonaws.com/<wbr>57fecc6984ae75bb00ec752c/<wbr>preview/#19/18.57497/-74.38157</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Looking forward to your feedback.<br>
>> > Thank you,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Cristiano<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 24/10/16 11:46, Rod Bera wrote:<br>
>> > Hi Mikel,<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> that's a seperate topic from running an additional unnecessary<br>
>> >> tasking manager.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > to me it's not.<br>
>> > As I understand things, the fact that a task needs to be<br>
>> > endorsed/supported by HOT if it is to appear on <a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">tasks.hotosm.org</a> is a<br>
>> > problem. The fact that only co-opted ("trained", "friends") individual<br>
>> > can post a task is a problem too.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > There were discussions on this in the past with people advocating a more<br>
>> > open policy for <a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">tasks.hotosm.org</a>.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > This did not happen for some reasons internal to HOT US Inc.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Then it appeared as a logical consequence that others would set-up<br>
>> > tasking managers fit for their needs.<br>
>> > Related to this is last year's discussion on default logos (TM by<br>
>> > default had a HOT logo), name (HOT tasking manager formerly incorrectly<br>
>> > known as OSM tasking manager). This was settled, more or less.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The next logical step (I also mentioned it at that time) was what is<br>
>> > happening now: possibly conflicting tasks. Well it is not the case yet:<br>
>> > as as far as I can see there is no overlap between tasks from<br>
>> > <a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">tasks.hotosm.org</a> and tasks from <a href="http://taches.francophonelibre.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">taches.francophonelibre.org</a>, but it will<br>
>> > fatally happen at some point.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > To address this I proposed a number of solutions which had not much<br>
>> > success:<br>
>> > -indexing tasking managers and tasks into a reference catalogue, or<br>
>> > -indexing TMs and tasks into catalogueS, possibly one for each TM with<br>
>> > service metadata, and subsequently allow for either cross-harvesting, or<br>
>> > -bottom-up harvesting if there is a truly community-operated reference<br>
>> > catalogue endorsed by everyone.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > I agree this makes things a bit complicated as it would ideally require<br>
>> > GeoNetwork instances (ideally one for each TM) or something similar. But<br>
>> > the INSPIRE SDI experience in Europe shows it works quite smoothly.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > However I agree it adds-up some complexity where we could avoid it. If<br>
>> > only there was only ONE TM that would be EVERYONE'S TM.<br>
>> > The de facto control of the original TM by HOT with a disputable policy<br>
>> > as to who had a right/privilege to define and post tasks broke up this<br>
>> > hope.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Given this I have no problem with <a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">tasks.hotosm.org</a> being administered<br>
>> > with HOT US Inc. rules. Or other TM being administered according to<br>
>> > different policies. We are diverse after all.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Now, we probably agree that beyond this diversity we have to work<br>
>> > together as a global community.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > To this aim I'll be happy to collaborate with you to find ways of coming<br>
>> > up with the kind of "universal catalogue of tasks" we (OSM) need.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">tasks.hotosm.org</a> #2219 #2229 #2236 #2237 #2248 etc., as well as<br>
>> > <a href="http://taches.francophonelibre.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">taches.francophonelibre.org</a> #35 #40 # 41 #45 #63 #64 #65 #66 #67 etc.<br>
>> > are all pertinent and they all should be primarily viewed as the<br>
>> > contributions from the OSM community instead of the organisations<br>
>> > running the tasking managers.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Regards,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Rod<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 15/10/16 15:28, Mikel Maron wrote:<br>
>> >> Agree with you John. Working with local mapper groups of course is the<br>
>> >> best. There are many French speaking HOT members and volunteers,<br>
>> >> including in Haiti.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> But that's a seperate topic from running an additional unnecessary<br>
>> >> tasking manager.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Mikel<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 9:08 AM, john whelan<br>
>> >> <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Which begs the question why should HOT decide the priorities?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I note that we don't see many projects from local groups especially<br>
>> >> in the high priority list and in this case Haiti the local language<br>
>> >> is French which means it is more difficult for the local needs to<br>
>> >> be<br>
>> >> understood by none francophone outsiders.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> There are problems with the functioning of the government of Haiti<br>
>> >> but there are functioning OSM locals but the best way to strengthen<br>
>> >> them is to work with them.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Cheerio John<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On 15 October 2016 at 08:03, Mikel Maron <<a href="mailto:mikel.maron@gmail.com">mikel.maron@gmail.com</a><br>
>> >> <javascript:return>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Having two tasking managers for the same response area is of<br>
>> >> course going to create conflicts. There's no need at all to<br>
>> >> create jobs for Haiti on another tasking manager. Simply,<br>
>> >> communicate the needs for mapping, including AOI, need, etc, to<br>
>> >> the HOT activation team and it will be prioritized and set up.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Mikel<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 4:51 AM, Severin Menard<br>
>> >> <<a href="mailto:severin.menard@gmail.com">severin.menard@gmail.com</a> <javascript:return>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> New update about our contribution to the OSM Map4Haiti<br>
>> >> mapping. Job #45<br>
>> >> <<a href="http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45#task/61" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://taches.<wbr>francophonelibre.org/project/<wbr>45#task/61</a>> is<br>
>> >> almost done now and we will start mapping the rural areas<br>
>> >> within the hills of département of Grande-Anse, over the<br>
>> >> communes of Abricots, Dame-Marie, Chambellan, Moron, Anse<br>
>> >> d'Hainault and Grande Anse, located in the most affected<br>
>> >> areas by Hurricane Matthew (UNOSAT impact zone 1, with<br>
>> >> winds<br>
>> >> over 120 km/h) with job #64<br>
>> >> <<a href="http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/64" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://taches.<wbr>francophonelibre.org/project/<wbr>64</a>>, continuing<br>
>> >> our systematic, consolidated effort over the hills (called<br>
>> >> mornes in Haiti).<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> We hold an agile SOTM today here at Université Alassane<br>
>> >> Ouattara and will have a team of crisis mapping during the<br>
>> >> whole day to show students and people what it is. No<br>
>> >> newcomer will be invited to map on Haiti from Bouaké but<br>
>> >> invited to become a local mapper, raise his skills and join<br>
>> >> later when experienced enough.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I hope this message is read by the HOT US coordination<br>
>> >> team,<br>
>> >> especially Dale Kunce:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> October 8 6:30 PM UTC I communicated about job #39<br>
>> >> <<a href="http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/39" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://taches.<wbr>francophonelibre.org/project/<wbr>39</a>> about<br>
>> >> pre-disaster mapping over Jeremie. On October 12, when our<br>
>> >> mapping is almost done on Central Jeremie, we figure out<br>
>> >> people are mapping on the area, due to a HOT US job #2228<br>
>> >> <<a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2228" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tasks.hotosm.org/<wbr>project/2228</a>> created by Dale<br>
>> >> Kunce. We stopped and quickly detected all the mistakes<br>
>> >> done<br>
>> >> by very recent mappers.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> October 12 11:40 AM UTC I communicated on the hot list<br>
>> >> including regarding job #45<br>
>> >> <<a href="http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://taches.<wbr>francophonelibre.org/project/<wbr>45</a>> about<br>
>> >> mapping Jeremie’s hinterland. Later this day, HOT US job<br>
>> >> #2224 <<a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2224" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tasks.hotosm.org/<wbr>project/2224</a>> covering an<br>
>> >> area slightly smaller inside the one I made was created by<br>
>> >> Dale Kunce... As if there was no other places to be mapped<br>
>> >> in Haiti...<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> So far, we created 7 jobs over Haiti, I communicated about<br>
>> >> them and they are all on the<br>
>> >> <<a href="http://taches.francophonelibre.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://taches.<wbr>francophonelibre.org</a>><a href="http://taches" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://<wbr>taches</a>.<br>
>> >> <a href="http://francophonelibre.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">francophonelibre.org</a> frontpage, so it is not a big deal<br>
>> >> just<br>
>> >> to check them.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> @Dale I think HOT US created a curriculum to raise skills<br>
>> >> to<br>
>> >> become Crisis activators, I would advise you to read it one<br>
>> >> day when you have a bit of time. If ever it does not<br>
>> >> mention<br>
>> >> to read and communicate in the hot list during an<br>
>> >> activation, I would suggest to add it into the<br>
>> >> documentation. As an incorporated company, HOT US may have<br>
>> >> its own internal tools to organize its mapping, but the<br>
>> >> minimum is to communicate a bit on the hot list with the<br>
>> >> OSM<br>
>> >> community, who is the holder of this list (as everything<br>
>> >> with @<a href="http://openstreetmap.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">openstreetmap.org</a> <<a href="http://openstreetmap.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://openstreetmap.org</a>>).<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> If you now create a new job covering job #45<br>
>> >> <<a href="http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45#task/61" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://taches.<wbr>francophonelibre.org/project/<wbr>45#task/61</a>>, I<br>
>> >> may try next time to create a job in the middle of the<br>
>> >> water, just to see if you jump on it.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Sincerely,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Severin<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ______________________________ _________________<br>
>> >> HOT mailing list<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.<wbr>org/listinfo/hot</a>><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://<wbr>lists.openstreetmap</a>.<br>
>> >> org/listinfo/hot<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ______________________________ _________________<br>
>> >> HOT mailing list<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a> <javascript:return><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.<wbr>org/listinfo/hot</a>><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://<wbr>lists.openstreetmap</a>.<br>
>> >> org/listinfo/hot<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>> >> HOT mailing list<br>
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>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
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>> et SIG pour l'Environnement / and Environmental GIS<br>
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